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Proof Research Question

I am curious about the longevity of their barrels. I just cut my first Proof carbon barrel the other day and it was one of the cleanest cutting steels I have chambered. Has anyone else noticed this? I am not expecting any issues with longevity it is just purely an observation, and a curiosity.

I have only done about 15 barrels so don't blast me, but I have made chips with just about all of the top name barrel makers.

Nick
 
Gotta be something. They machine twice as good as the others. You dont even have to try hard to get a finish like a mirror.
With the turning needed to wrap the carbon fiber, stands to reason they'd use easily machinable material. Kinda' like the 12L14 of stainless steels. Would have to wonder about useful barrel life. Ultra-light not intended for high round count target shooting.
 
Does anyone have one and a hardness tester ? It would be interesting to know how hard the steel is.
 
Have a Rockwell tester. No Proof barrel, though. Barrels are hard to check unless you have a small piece sawed from the end you can lay flat on the anvil. You have to go to the trouble of setting up a jack stand and making absolute sure the barrel shank is in FULL engagement with the V block to check a barrel, and not just a piece of a barrel. "Time ain't free!". Only for a hobbyist who has nothing else to do. Proof doesn't give you a lot of 'extra' to work with.
 
I have heard very good things about their straight stainless barrels from both my smith and a shooting buddy. Smith mentioned how little runout it had compared to others.

My buddy had his chambered in BRX and has a ton of rounds on it. He pulled it off his match rifle but uses it as a practice barrel, says it just won't die, just keeps shooting...

I have one waiting to be chambered now.
 
Does anyone have one and a hardness tester ? It would be interesting to know how hard the steel is.

they're heat treated to IIRC 27/28-30 hardness. i'm sure you could ask/call/email one of the sales guys. if they don't know they can ask one of the production managers for a more accurate/positive response.
 
With the turning needed to wrap the carbon fiber, stands to reason they'd use easily machinable material. Kinda' like the 12L14 of stainless steels. Would have to wonder about useful barrel life. Ultra-light not intended for high round count target shooting.

it's 416r, and turning it prior to wrapping isn't a big deal. they have a couple of monster turning lathes that handle that process very well.
 
Do you work for Proof, Jesse? I have been a job shop machinist for over 40yrs. I know a bit about turning. I spend a lot of time standing in front of a 20" x 72" engine lathe these days, when I'm not around the CNCs. Most here would consider that 20" x 72" a "monster". Also, I am the only one in the shop who runs the 36" x 96" Sydney when there's work for it. I can see for myself that Proof uses 416R, but it sure machines easily compared to other custom barrel blanks. And after 25+yrs of gunsmithing and fitting barrels, I've machined quite a few.
 
I am not a carbon fiber wrapped fan. Very hard to shoot accurately off hand. It is like stirring soup.
delfuego, why did he take it off?
Maybe they have them Cryo'd. I do find them to machine better, but I have found no other advantage. As far as Rockwell C hardness, You spec that with the steel maker.
 
Do you work for Proof, Jesse? I have been a job shop machinist for over 40yrs. I know a bit about turning. I spend a lot of time standing in front of a 20" x 72" engine lathe these days, when I'm not around the CNCs. Most here would consider that 20" x 72" a "monster". Also, I am the only one in the shop who runs the 36" x 96" Sydney when there's work for it. I can see for myself that Proof uses 416R, but it sure machines easily compared to other custom barrel blanks. And after 25+yrs of gunsmithing and fitting barrels, I've machined quite a few.

i did for two years. i wrapped barrels, built and bedded stocks, and did muzzle crowning and threading. i am not a machinist or gunsmith but rabid enthusiast with a thirst for knowledge.

i try to avoid posting specific details that aren't intended to be public knowledge. what i was getting at is their contour lathes do not need special soft steel to do their job. it's barrel steel. it should last in the ballpark of other cut rifled barrels (a bit longer than button barrels). the carbon fiber has a low thermal mass and, depending on how you wrap it, will either be stiff but insulate or be less stiff but shed heat more quickly. proof's regular wrap pattern sheds heat. so they don't behave exactly like a normal steel lightweight barrel. the characteristics change a bit.

when i say "monster lathe," mind you, i'm not talking the beasts that turn three foot stock into bearings. i mean relative to normal shop lathes. they don't need to handle anything bigger than a barrel blank.

also, my interest in posts about proof barrels and processes is due to a general lack of understanding about them. they (proof) don't share a lot of information, and people ask a lot of questions and make a ton of assumptions, many of which are incorrect. my two cents are typically trying to clear up questions or misunderstandings. and if i can learn something at the same time, even better.
 
i did for two years. i wrapped barrels, built and bedded stocks, and did muzzle crowning and threading. i am not a machinist or gunsmith but rabid enthusiast with a thirst for knowledge.

i try to avoid posting specific details that aren't intended to be public knowledge. what i was getting at is their contour lathes do not need special soft steel to do their job. it's barrel steel. it should last in the ballpark of other cut rifled barrels (a bit longer than button barrels). the carbon fiber has a low thermal mass and, depending on how you wrap it, will either be stiff but insulate or be less stiff but shed heat more quickly. proof's regular wrap pattern sheds heat. so they don't behave exactly like a normal steel lightweight barrel. the characteristics change a bit.

when i say "monster lathe," mind you, i'm not talking the beasts that turn three foot stock into bearings. i mean relative to normal shop lathes. they don't need to handle anything bigger than a barrel blank.

also, my interest in posts about proof barrels and processes is due to a general lack of understanding about them. they (proof) don't share a lot of information, and people ask a lot of questions and make a ton of assumptions, many of which are incorrect. my two cents are typically trying to clear up questions or misunderstandings. and if i can learn something at the same time, even better.

You didnt ask any questions while doing the work? We dont have to know exactly what the steel is- as many barrels as some on here do the difference is obvious when you do get to do one. I for one am a huge fan of proof barrels. I just wish more wanted them so i could do them more often
 
I believe that the barrels are cut, I am pretty sure that unlike any of the other fine cut barrels, that they heat stress relieve the blanks. Perhaps this explains their machining qualities. A friend casts laps to investigate the interior dimensional uniformity of barrels before chambering them. He has chambered a number of these barrels, and says that they are very correct and uniform.
 
Other than the epoxy used for the carbon fiber, nothing out of the ordinary.

"The process begins by turning down a match-grade barrel blank of 416R stainless steel. Most barrels are cut-rifled, but Proof Research also has button-rifling capability".
 

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