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barrel toast before it starts?

I am wondering if the barrel is toast before I start.
It's a hand lapped cut barrel in 7mm and 3 shots in...

A lot of cleaning for carbon and copper (double digits patches using) this is still where it's at..

I've still to bore scope it but with this much copper I fear the worst
 

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I am wondering if the barrel is toast before I start.
It's a hand lapped cut barrel in 7mm and 3 shots in...

A lot of cleaning for carbon and copper (double digits patches using) this is still where it's at..

I've still to bore scope it but with this much copper I fear the worst
Is it new ? I don't understand your question
 
Yes it is a brand new barrel with the first 3 shots down it.
I just have never seen so much copper come from 3 bullets, never mind from a new Barrel
 
New barrels with rough throats will do that. It looks like it is stripping the copper off at the muzzle, but it is really copper dust following the bullet down the barrel and settling in the last few inches. The next bullet down the barrel presses that dust into the lands and grooves. Another good reason for a shoot and clean break in.
 
It's a hand lapped cut barrel in 7mm and 3 shots in...

But during chambering, grooves were created across the direction of bullet travel. The amount of copper I get after the first shot is many time the amount I get after the 5'th or 10'th shot. I am a big believer in the Krieger description and recommendations:

BREAK-IN & CLEANING:

With any premium barrel that has been finish lapped -- such as your Krieger Barrel --, the lay or direction of the finish is in the direction of the bullet travel, so fouling is minimal compared to a barrel with internal tooling marks. This is true of any properly finish-lapped barrel regardless of how it is rifled. If it is not finish-lapped, there will be reamer marks left in the bore that are directly across the direction of the bullet travel. This occurs even in a button-rifled barrel as the button cannot completely iron out these reamer marks.

Because the lay of the finish is in the direction of the bullet travel, very little is done to the bore during break-in, but the throat is another story. When your barrel is chambered, by necessity there are reamer marks left in the throat that are across the lands, i.e. across the direction of the bullet travel. In a new barrel they are very distinct; much like the teeth on a very fine file.

When the bullet is forced into the throat, copper dust is removed from the jacket material and released into the gas which at this temperature and pressure is actually a plasma. The copper dust is vaporized in this plasma and is carried down the barrel. As the gas expands and cools, the copper comes out of suspension and is deposited in the bore. This makes it appear as if the source of the fouling is the bore when it is actually for the most part the new throat.

If this copper is allowed to stay in the bore, and subsequent bullets and deposits are fired over it, copper which adheres well to itself, will build up quickly and may be difficult to remove later. So when we break in a barrel, our goal is to get the throat “polished without allowing copper to build up in the bore. This is the reasoning for the fire-one-shot-and-clean procedure.

Every barrel will vary slightly in how many rounds they take to break in For example a chrome moly barrel may take longer to break in than stainless steel because it is more abrasion resistant even though it is a similar hardness. Also chrome moly has a little more of an affinity for copper than stainless steel so it will usually show a little more color if you are using a chemical cleaner. Rim Fire barrels can take an extremely long time to break in, sometimes requiring several hundred rounds or more. But cleaning can be lengthened to every 25-50 rounds. The break-in procedure and the cleaning procedure are really the same except for the frequency. Remember the goal is to get or keep the barrel clean while breaking in the throat with bullets being fired over it.

Finally, the best way to tell if the barrel is broken in is to observe the patches; i.e. when the fouling is reduced. This is better than some set number of cycles of shoot and clean as many owners report practically no fouling after the first few shots, and more break-in would be pointless. Conversely, if more is required, a set number would not address that either. Besides, cleaning is not a completely benign procedure so it should be done carefully and no more than necessary.
 
Yes, the wonky looking piece around the muzzle is a thread protector for using suppressor.
Thank you for the information from Krieger, it explains a lot!
The suggestion of trying Tubb's tms is a great idea...

The crown does look worse than it actually is - it was cut on the lathe single point cutter at the same time as the thread for the brake/suppressor.

The barrel's origin is from the UK.
 
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Looks like a thread protector.

Looks similar to the thread protectors I make:

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Very similar to what we use, but our are usually cut in a similar fashion to a barrel tenon thread (with a relief cut), allowing the suppressor to butt up against the shoulder and find centre squarely more easily.
Neither are wrong...
 
I'm actually impressed with the pictures. They really do a good job showing what you are wanting them too. The guys above are correct...I've got nothing to add except that is why I break a barrel in. I'm not sure I've ever seen copper in the end of a barrel like that without using a borescope. Keep shooting and cleaning, it'll quit and in my experience zero indication of how the barrel will preform long term.
 
I'm glad people can learn from the pictures and the base knowledge and expertise on this site!
As they say, every day is a school day...
 
Why don't you see what the barrel actually does on PAPER before you bail out.
 

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