Need Help with Rifle Cant

[rckendall]

I need some help dealing with rifle cant when shooting from a front rest. The rest is a Farley that I bought used about 6 months ago and the rifle I have been shooting recently is a Savage 12 F Class in 6br. It has a 3" wide forend that is flat on the bottom. I tried today with some added rails on the bottom to see if that would help. It didn't rock as easy, but still failed overall. My game is F Class so prone shooting is my go to position.

I can and do occasionally pinch the bag (in the rest) and force the forend to settle in a level position. Then as I begin shooting, the torque of each shot compacts the sand on the right side until the rifle is no longer level. I have resorted to twisting the rifle level with my wrist and then somewhat locking it in that position with my shoulder. I do get good follow through and can see my impacts at 600 yards, so part of me feels good about it, but I don't think that is what others are doing. All my previous thoughts on F Class shooting told me to keep my bodily contact with the rifle to a minimum, until now.

Please offer any help that you can. I really appreciate this site and all the coaching that gets passed on here.

Thanks,
Richard

 

[Dusty Stevens]

You need different sand. And adjust the quantity until it doesnt change once you crank the screws down and shoot. If you have heavy sand in there thats your problem. If you have play sand try to add some parakeet gravel. If youre going to add new sand get some called paver sand for going between bricks on sidewalks. It works perfect. You also need a forming block of some type to shape the bag. It needs to be the same shape as your stock. You level the rest then tap the block with a hammer and watch a level you put in there or on there

 

[kzin]

I need some help dealing with rifle cant when shooting from a front rest. The rest is a Farley that I bought used about 6 months ago and the rifle I have been shooting recently is a Savage 12 F Class in 6br. It has a 3" wide forend that is flat on the bottom. I tried today with some added rails on the bottom to see if that would help. It didn't rock as easy, but still failed overall. My game is F Class so prone shooting is my go to position.

I can and do occasionally pinch the bag (in the rest) and force the forend to settle in a level position. Then as I begin shooting, the torque of each shot compacts the sand on the right side until the rifle is no longer level. I have resorted to twisting the rifle level with my wrist and then somewhat locking it in that position with my shoulder. I do get good follow through and can see my impacts at 600 yards, so part of me feels good about it, but I don't think that is what others are doing. All my previous thoughts on F Class shooting told me to keep my bodily contact with the rifle to a minimum, until now.

Please offer any help that you can. I really appreciate this site and all the coaching that gets passed on here.

Thanks,
Richard

Front bag is worn out or not very good quality???

That exact rifle is next on my purchase list when my bank account heals so I'm very interested in better answers than mine.

 

[Dusty Stevens]

http://6mmppc.com/site/e69f738a78b8...default?url=http://6mmppc.com/Page_3.php#2842

 

[alinwa]

You need different sand. And adjust the quantity until it doesnt change once you crank the screws down and shoot. If you have heavy sand in there thats your problem. If you have play sand try to add some parakeet gravel. If youre going to add new sand get some called paver sand for going between bricks on sidewalks. It works perfect. You also need a forming block of some type to shape the bag. It needs to be the same shape as your stock. You level the rest then tap the block with a hammer and watch a level you put in there or on there

THIS is GOLD......

I can't just "like" it cuz it's just too much. Back when it came out I jumped on the 'Heavy Sand' bandwagon, hard. Stuck it in everything, just figgered it hadda' be best for everything.

It ain't.

I shoot some stuff that torques, a lot. I started getting it when I went to a tight-twist .243AI, it got 'better' when I dropped to 6BR and now I shoot a 6X47L and the torque is greater.... I think... especially with some barrels....

I don't know an answer except try different stuff, different mixes and the forming block is perty much a needed thing IMO. I just feel bles't when one of my bags stays stable and I try to never drop it, bend it, over-torque the pinch, under-torque the pinch.

Some form of vibration can be useful both for filling and for settling.

Sometimes I've fought with "moisture" or "humidity" or "bag dried out over the winter" or whatever. It's one of my pet projects, and peeves and just to make it more complicated I'm convinced bedding angle plays into it, or barrel timing or balance fore and aft or SOMETHING....... some guns just seem to hammer the bags more than others.

LISSEN to pros like Dusty, I wish I had a comprehensive "answer" but just don't, yet. I'm playing with the old trick of shooting the gun without re-aiming, just drag it back and forth and see if it will settle because IMO to ever shoot like Bart I NEED TO learn to quit "aiming" every shot. Especially at 600 on a trigger pullin' day when the friggin dot is crawling all over the target like a maggot on meat.

OK, "shooting like Bart" is kinda' a tall order, but a man's got to have his aspirations



LOL

 

[hogpatrol]

http://6mmppc.com/site/e69f738a78b84a3bbfbe4bd2af645230/default?url=http://6mmppc.com/Page_3.php#2842

Dusty, 404 on that link. Looks like two pages combined?

Is this it? http://6mmppc.com/Page_3.php#2842

 

[rckendall]

Ok, I've located some paver sand at a local big box store and will pick some up today and try that. Thank you.

http://6mmppc.com/site/e69f738a78b84a3bbfbe4bd2af645230/default?url=http://6mmppc.com/Page_3.php#2842

This link doesn't work for me and I feel like I'm missing something now.

Thanks again,
Richard

 

[hogpatrol]

SMH

 

[Dusty Stevens]

Dusty, 404 on that link. Looks like two pages combined?

Is this it? http://6mmppc.com/Page_3.php#2842

Yes thats it. Bag trainer