Shooting stance

[wad53]

I often see people tilting backwards while shooting and on the photos you can see law enforcement officers during police shooting competition. For me it's weird that so called professionals are shooting like that and i'm wondering if there's something wrong with me tilting forwards or with them tilting backwards.

 

[ballisticdaddy]

It is a bit odd that none of these are in a bladed stance and agree that they are all falling backwards and weight is not on the balls of their feet. Practice does not make perfect, rather perfect practice makes perfect!

 

[Trophied]

Oh my goodness, back problems in their future! Where does that training come from?

 

[JRS]

Thats the cocktail party stance Alcohol and guns don't mix well.

 

[T-shooter]

I usually see women with no experience shoot that way. Just try it with something that kicks hard! Fire the gun like it's a weapon and your life depends on it, not a party popper noise maker. Lean into it.

 

[dc.fireman]

Oh my goodness, back problems in their future! Where does that training come from?

It comes from international styled shooting. The mindset being that the elbows are locked, and that rather than raising the arms up and down to adjust elevation, you lean back slightly to adjust higher (or forward to go lower). There is often a corresponding windage correction which needs to made as well.

Call it crazy, but it works. Watch World Cup Air rifle & Air Pistol shooters sometime - you'd be amazed at what they're (consistently) hitting.

 

[ballisticdaddy]

It comes from international styled shooting. The mindset being that the elbows are locked, and that rather than raising the arms up and down to adjust elevation, you lean back slightly to adjust higher (or forward to go lower). There is often a corresponding windage correction which needs to made as well.

Call it crazy, but it works. Watch World Cup Air rifle & Air Pistol shooters sometime - you'd be amazed at what they're (consistently) hitting.

Okay i could understand with an air rifle or pistol as there is nowhere near the amount of energy created nor recoil felt, try that in a fast fire drill with a .45 ACP and see where they finish standing

 

[Drop Port]

It comes from international styled shooting. The mindset being that the elbows are locked, and that rather than raising the arms up and down to adjust elevation, you lean back slightly to adjust higher (or forward to go lower). There is often a corresponding windage correction which needs to made as well.

Call it crazy, but it works. Watch World Cup Air rifle & Air Pistol shooters sometime - you'd be amazed at what they're (consistently) hitting.

+1
Totally normal in bullseye, even slow fire at Perry you will see most arched back. Never see it on an offensive drill totally different discipline.

 

[Dusty Stevens]

I dont look to police to have the stance of a champion. Most i know have only formal training by shooters that only shoot a box of ammo a year themselves. They have way more stuff they need to train for and most have to buy their own ammo if they want to practice. It is unfortunate- id love to see them able to shoot thousands of rounds a year- some do but most do not consider themselves more than qualifiers every year. Used to have a few that came over and used my dillon. I got them set up to load and got them hooked up with a once fired brass guy and they loved it. Help out your local police when you can.

 

[TRA]

Okay i could understand with an air rifle or pistol as there is nowhere near the amount of energy created nor recoil felt, try that in a fast fire drill with a .45 ACP and see where they finish standing

You must have never heard of a petite young gal who shot for the USAMTU !!! Her name is Kim Dyer.

How about this scenario? Kim Dyer, USAMTU, Who fired a Women's National 2700 Record at Eustis, Fla. in the '70s [all of 26 years old and 98 lbs. at the time], when asked, "What do you do with an unscheduled afternoon?" Said, "Well, I grab two cans of hardball [ammo] and head to the range." Imagine! 500 or more rounds of hardball shot by a 98 pounder, in one afternoon?

All these present day tball type games shooters are shooting very light recoiling purpose built pistols and with light ammo. Shooting a pistol for accuracy vs knocking down steel is quite different. You shoot a 45 hard ball gun all crouched over like a hunchback and you will throw bullets everywhere. I'd love to see some of you try to shoot a 2700 all crunched over.

Crouched over is for spraying bullets at pie plates.

 

[dolek]

Stance depends on what you doing....not everyone lives the dream of killing a cardboard person.

 

[ballisticdaddy]

You must have never heard of a petite young gal who shot for the USAMTU !!! Her name is Kim Dyer.

All these present day tball type games shooters are shooting very light recoiling purpose built pistols and with light ammo. Shooting a pistol for accuracy vs knocking down steel is quite different. You shoot a 45 hard ball gun all crouched over like a hunchback and you will throw bullets everywhere. I'd love to see some of you try to shoot a 2700 all crunched over.

Crouched over is for spraying bullets at pie plates.

In the photos shown above these are Law Enforcement agencies that are neither shooting air guns, steel pie plates or reduced recoil ammunition, that was the reason for my reply. There is a large difference between being in an athletic stance and being crouched over to spray bullets. Assuming you have not had any formal tactical training or you would understand both my concerns and statements sir.

 

[Drop Port]

In the photos shown above these are Law Enforcement agencies that are neither shooting air guns, steel pie plates or reduced recoil ammunition, that was the reason for my reply. There is a large difference between being in an athletic stance and being crouched over to spray bullets. Assuming you have not had any formal tactical training or you would understand both my concerns and statements sir.

It is very likely they are light loads the pistols appear to be P 210's they are shooting bullseye targets from a non combat, bullseye stance, and if you look closely they are not even American.

 

[wad53]

It is very likely they are light loads the pistols appear to be P 210's they are shooting bullseye targets from a non combat, bullseye stance, and if you look closely they are not even American.

Those are Polish police officers and competition was organized by police school.

 

[Drop Port]

Those are Polish police officers and competition was organized by police school.

Since you are aware they are Polish and seem to have knowledge about the event, to answer your original question no there is nothing wrong with you leaning forward as long as you are not shooting Bulls-Eye and nothing wrong with them leaning backwards as long as they are not shooting combat drills.
If you go to a Bulls-Eye shooting school be prepared to assume a similar stance. If you head to Storm Mountain, Mid South, etc. keep on leaning forward, apples and oranges.

 

[300_whisper]

Lean a little forward, squared up, arms out front, slightly bent at the elbow, and get the front sight on target. You won’t miss. That simple technique is for killing people though, not shooting small groups in the olympics.

Also, those cops look scared, like the boogeyman is about to jump out of their muzzle.

 

[TRA]

Lean a little forward, squared up, arms out front, slightly bent at the elbow, and get the front sight on target. You won’t miss. That simple technique is for killing people though, not shooting small groups in the olympics.

Also, those cops look scared, like the boogeyman is about to jump out of their muzzle.

All cops look that way. This tactical nonsense is just the current fad. Name one gun fight that happens in the US where the tactical elite come out with the high score? Remember, most, attempting to create havoc have next to no training, yet they always end up dead but with the highest score. It's no different in the Military. Any radical or group of them will always cause extreme damage, before the shock wears off of those ambushed.

The best tactical training a person can have involves in being very proficient with your "Weapons" and the knowledge to prevent you from getting yourself into a pickle.

Rob Leatham has a video that he comments about the question of what's better????? "Competition vs Tactical" If you can understand his word salads, it is rather interesting. Throw him into combat or ambush and his odds are no better than anyone else.

 

[yukonal]

Use that stance in a self defense situation, and you are in big trouble. How can you move, or head for cover while shooting, in that position. OMG!

Perfect practice...

 

[Knotwild]

This video sums up the gun fights for me. Also read Massad Ayoob's take on gunfights.