Assuming there is a bullet issue.
147 ELD coming apart
- Thread starter Park ranger
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Assuming there is a bullet issue.
I'm a Hornady fan like many others but clearly there is something going on with the new ELDs. 99% of the guys having issues have shot Berger and Sierra bullets following the problems with the ELDs. No issues with those. Yes barrels can be an issue and so can crowns but those issues would cause other brands to do the same. Enough guys make it an issue with Hornady and they will look into it. Like recalls on vehicles, it takes alot of complaints before it's really investigated.
If there is an issue they will definitely handle it but we haven't confirmed an issue yet. Can't jump to assumptions is all I am saying and get mad at the company. Hornady is a stand up company. If people are having problems with a lot of bullets they will investigate and replace the bullets. Any company can have a bad lot. It's how it's handled. Hornady has excellent CS.
There is different lots reported and different caliber . If they work for your great if they don’t switch brands that’s what I did no hard feelings
In preparing to built a rifle, I have been following most all the threads here about the 6.5. Almost all reports of the 147 Hornady and 150 Sierra bullets coming apart are being shot from fast twist (1-7.5 or faster) conventional 4 groove cut rifled barrels. More so noted as the barrels get more use on them. Guys shooting the 5r, canted or 6 groove don't seem to see them blow up. Also it shows up more in F-class type shooting as the barrels heat (and foul) up around the 15+ shot mark in a string. If you are just shooting 5 or 10 shot groups during load development you may not see blow ups until a match.
ballisticdaddy
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I have seen bullets from both Hornady and Berger have the same issue in matches over the past few years. Berger has been more than fair with researching lot numbers and replacing them at no charge. Hornady on the other hand had been less than helpful. Kind of reinforced that you get what you pay for. The Hornday offerings I believe do not rate as a premium product IMO
Brians356
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I think many here assumed, like myself, this had something to do with the plastic tip. But Bergers don't have plastic tips, last I checked. So the implication is it is a fundamental jacket (bonding?) issue. When I reconsider, bad tips wouldn't be likely to destroy the bullet mid-flight. Or would they? ("Indecision is a terrible thing. Well, maybe it's not so bad ...")
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I have shot a lot of the ELDs in .224, 6mm, 6.5mm, 7mm and .30 and never had a bullet come apart. If people are having issues then call Hornady and they will get to the bottom of it.
You can pull the tip and you will not have the bullet come apart. Hornady did it with the AMAX and ELD when they were developing the ELDs and testing them with the doppler. All you do is effect BC with the tip gone.
ballisticdaddy
Silver $$ Contributor
I did not mean to insinuate the tip was at fault, we had concluded this was more than likely due to a few barrel manufacturers that have a bit tighter squeeze than others and may have caused a bit more friction. Two of the shooters switched to the Lapua offerings and have not seen it occur again as the diameters are slightly undersized when compared to Hornady or Berger. I have no data to back up this claim but through trial and error by a few shooters this seemed to be a logical explanation.
I watched this happen to a shooter in our 600 yard f class match this past saturday in West Virginia. I could see the bullet blow up about 150 yards down range. When it was my turn in the pit you could hear the difference in his shots and they never made it to the target.
I am tired of these comments. The bullets are fine. It's a reloader error. If I have a 4 groove barrel, clean it and I mean clean it. Scrub it. Remove the carbon ring also. Chamfer your brass all the time. Make sure bullet is not damaged when seated. Also, make sure you have a light neck tension. Do not over tighten the brass. Do that and I guarantee the bullets will be fine. Have cured several barrels from friends who claimed the bullets were blowing up.
Well I would have loved to sell you these total POS box off bullets. If you think 350 rounds on a barrel after being JB’ed needs more scrubbing just to shoot Hornady , and it’s not el cheapo hornady but Krieger fault... see you at the nationals. I’ll wave to you.
Brians356
Gold $$ Contributor
Sad!
Folks have been handloading for 100 years with dirty bores, pitted bores, tight necks, crimped necks (!), and carbon rings, yet bullets disintegrating in flight have been almost unheard of, except when pushing certain bullets to extreme velocities. Try again.
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Went for 95 shipped for 360 ct.
My problems were with factory loaded Black Hills ammo. ELD-M 140 gr.
This is an interesting thread. I have not shot the quantities that some here have and do, but I have shot quite a few through my .260 and Creed, out to 530 yards with no issues. I heard of that problem with some factory SST Superformance loads in the 6.5. The bullet was hitting the target in three pieces at 50 yards.
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