Action what one?

[Bart B.]

Compare Bob Jensen's pre 64 Win 70 based Palma rifle shooting 20 shots at 600 yards in 2.7 inches extreme spread back in 1991 to current similar benchrest agg records and the actions used. Group picture was in a fall 1991 issue of Handloader magazine.

New cases, .003" bullet runout on Sierra's 155's, 3/10ths grain spread of IMR4895 powder charges, Fed 210M primers. All loaded in two Dillon 1050 progressives.

 

[dkhunt14]

Compare Bob Jensen's pre 64 Win 70 based Palma rifle shooting 20 shots at 600 yards in 2.7 inches extreme spread back in 1991 to current similar benchrest agg records and the actions used. Group picture was in a fall 1991 issue of Handloader magazine.

New cases, .003" bullet runout on Sierra's 155's, 3/10ths grain spread of IMR4895 powder charges, Fed 210M primers. All loaded in two Dillon 1050 progressives.

Records are half that. Even with 2 gun 40 shots. (1.6449) Matt

 

[Bart B.]

Records are half that. Even with 2 gun 40 shots. (1.6449) Matt

Agg's extreme spreads less than 1.35? What's the 2 gun 40 shots extreme 1.6449?

Whats their extreme spreads? We're their ammo as sloppy in tolerances as Jensens?

Several combinations of four 5 shot groups will average 1.6449 and have the 20 shot composite 2.7 inches.

 

[dkhunt14]

I knew that. Whats their extreme spreads? We're their ammo as sloppy in tolerances as Jensens?

Extreme spreads don't mean as much as people think at distance. I have had guns with low extreme spreads that shot terrible vertical at 1000 and the same gun with big ES shot great. I had a few where you could shoot a full grain of powder difference and it would print the same place at 1000. Matt

 

[22DASHER]

Not everything revolves around ES. Although it is nice when low ES directly correlates to best load, it’s not always the case... ultimately it matters what the target/group tells you!

 

[dmoran]

Compare Bob Jensen's pre 64 Win 70 based Palma rifle shooting 20 shots at 600 yards in 2.7 inches extreme spread back in 1991 to current similar benchrest agg records and the actions used....

Bart -
That ain't nothing compared to your own 10 to 20-shot averages that you claim:
"Ammo tests were 1/4 to 1/3 MOA at 600yds from 10 to 20-shots"

Or even close to the results you claim to the "spun bullets" from 1971, where you claim:
"... several 10 shot groups at 600 yards from 1.5" down to .7". Then put 40 inside 1.92"."

Nothing yet today has came close to your averages, or those test claims from +40-years ago of yours. And obvious your Win 70's actions are/were better then anything made since. As also your ammo and reloading talents had to be.

Your years ahead of us all Mr. B......
"Stool-shooters" take a backseat at best to you, when it comes to achievable accuracy.

 

[Bart B.]

That ain't nothing compared to your own averages that you've claimed:
"Ammo tests were 1/4 to 1/3 MOA at 600yds"

I never put that in a post. You did thinking I did. I looked it up.

I was referring to short ranges 300 yards and less.

Got email from a forum member saying he recently talked with the person who shot all those sub 1,5 inch ten shot groups at 600.

 

[dmoran]

I never put that in a post. You did thinking I did. I looked it up.

I was referring to short ranges 300 yards and less.

Got email from a forum member saying he recently talked with the person who shot all those sub 1,5 inch ten shot groups at 600.

That is because you "edited" that post after the fact.... Quoted what you originally wrote.

But you also claim 1/2 to 2/3-MOA averages for 10 to 20-shots at 1000yds, which is 3" at 600yds (equal to Bob Jensen's) if you want to go by it instead.

I also talked with someone that is familiar with your 1971 claim. He said you have Inches confused with MOA, and that you've been posting it falsified for +20-years. I've read 5 or 6 different versions of your posts.

 

[Shooter13]

Lol, I don't blame you guys, I just do not get that attached to guns. I've sold some high dollar pistols over the yrs. Plus, I'm not saddling my wife with the hassle of my guns if something happens.

Don't have to worry about that last part, my son will take care of that but he doesn't know in my will I state he could not sell them, they must be passed on to the youngest granddaughter!! So the joke will be on him (she is the one who loves to shoot anyway).

 

[Bart B.]

That is because you "edited" that post after the fact.... Quoted what you originally wrote.

But you also claim 1/2 to 2/3-MOA averages for 10 to 20-shots at 1000yds, which is 3" at 600yds (equal to Bob Jensen's) if you want to go by it instead.

I also talked with someone that is familiar with your 1971 claim. He said you have MOA confused with Inches, and that you've been posting it falsified for +20-years. I've read 5 or 6 different versions of your posts.

Yawning........

 

[Shooter13]

I have a 6.5-284 built on a Kelbly Atlas Tactial action. It is one hell of a shooter. And the current pricing on the Atlas Tactical is great. Get yourself a long action Atlas Tactical and you will be all set.

Kelbly actions are well made, the finish on the Atlas tactical makes it a perfect action for me to build a hard use field rifle that shoots as well as any of my BR rifles.

At least until I get that #3 Contour barrel hot...

It is also true that I am a Kelbly fanboy, owning 6 different Kelbly actions...

So there may be other options out there

Actually this is the kind of reply I was looking for, before this post became a "mines bigger than yours" post, I am looking at the Kelbly tactical action. Also looking at the Defiance tactical too. Thanks!

 

[mikeeg02]

Actually this is the kind of reply I was looking for, before this post became a "mines bigger than yours" post, I am looking at the Kelbly tactical action. Also looking at the Defiance tactical too. Thanks!

I have two kelbly grizzly's. (single shot actions) I was so happy with the first one, I bought a twin to it, with the short throw bolt. Great pieces of equipment.

Whats really sold me on Kelbly, is call and talk to them. Whether you buy anything from them or not, they are happy to talk to you about their products. I've pretty much dealt with Ian Kelbly, but Im told everyone there has been pleasant to deal with.

One time I bought a set of rings from them online, and messed up and forgot to get 20 minute rings. (Which cost significantly more) They asked what action I was putting it on, and they asked if I would like them just to "throw in" a 20 minute base for the Kelbly action I was putting them on. I said sure, and expected when I got the bill, for there to be an additional fee. No charges were added. When I ordered the second action from them, I asked about a base for it, and they just threw it in the box again. While not a significant savings, they sure seem to go out of their way to make me happy. I cant say enough good things for what they do for their customers.

 

[josh shrum]

Also looking at the Defiance tactical too. Thanks!

Another good choice.

Really, when it comes to custom actions, pick what floats your boat and enjoy. They are all well made and have good support.

I started off with Kelbly's and have had a lot of success with their Panda Actions. So for me it was a no brainer to go with the Altas Tactical when I was having Dave build me a hunting rig.

 

[4xforfun]

Well, I've been away for a while....maybe things have changed. At IBS 1000 yard comps you either saw full on customs or Remingtons. After a few years the Savages came on strong. NEVER saw a Winy, Wby, Tika, or anything else factory.

I don't know why, but I truly LOVE my Rem 700's. They are mid 1990's era actions with good triggers and have been trued up. Bolt lift is truly a one finger affair and smooth as silk.

Now, are they the same as my BAT's? NO, but they are just as dear to me!!

Tod

 

[Bc'z]

Bart -
That must be like the only target you ever saved...lol... you've been posting it for +20-years.
Bet I'm low in saying, I've seen you post it at least 50-times.

If it was a "stool shooter" you would say: "everyone gets a small one every once in a while, lets see the others".
Especially when you know you have shot plenty that are plus 6X times bigger (like you say to others).

Or question the ability of the shooter.

 

[Nature Boy]

"Stool-shooters"

I've heard of a lot of different shooting sports like Groundhog Shoots, Fly Shoots, etc, but I've never of shooting stool before. Sounds kinda messy

 

[Bc'z]

Been here 3 months and I've learned 2 things for sure.
Bart B. Is the only guy that can shoot.
And
F.Guffy is the only guy that knows how to reload.
That said let the beatings begin, I'm thick skinned and hard headed I think I can take it.
In the meantime I'm gonna go shoot some of my neck sized ammo, and think about a new remington action my smith suggested.
I'm needing to build my first custom also.

 

[mike a]

I'm the exact opposite, I just dumped a Mausingfield, took a pounding on it. I have a Bighorn TL3 with a barrel about gone, that action is gone too. And right now, I have a Defiance 6 creed on my cleaning table, I probably wont sell it but my Godson needs a hunting rig this fall.

Wow, this post really caught my eye. Remember my thread just recently about custom action longevity? ( who can forget the Brazilian! ) lots of people said custom actions last forever! I'm very curious as to what's causing that TL3 to be gone too. How many rounds? Define gone. I have the Bighorn Origin on order. Thanx Mike

 

[Milo 2.0]

Wow, this post really caught my eye. Remember my thread just recently about custom action longevity? ( who can forget the Brazilian! ) lots of people said custom actions last forever! I'm very curious as to what's causing that TL3 to be gone too. How many rounds? Define gone. I have the Bighorn Origin on order. Thanx Mike

Controlled round feed not my cup of tea is all. Rifle built on the action was top notch accuracy wise. Don't ever read stuff into my words, you'll go nuts, lol

 

[urbanrifleman]

Well, I've been away for a while....maybe things have changed. At IBS 1000 yard comps you either saw full on customs or Remingtons. After a few years the Savages came on strong. NEVER saw a Winy, Wby, Tika, or anything else factory.

I don't know why, but I truly LOVE my Rem 700's. They are mid 1990's era actions with good triggers and have been trued up. Bolt lift is truly a one finger affair and smooth as silk.

Now, are they the same as my BAT's? NO, but they are just as dear to me!!

Tod

My latest 40x that I acquired is an old custom shop and the bolt lift is nothing like a Remington 700. It is smooth as silk. I want to know whoever set that thing up.