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Forster bump shoulder die, Bushing question

DngBat7

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Im buying a Forster bump die, here is my question.

My neck of load round is .290
The empty fired brass measures .295

I called forster, and the recommended I use .288 and get a .287 for when brass thins
(this sounds right)

The question is, with the .288 bushing I will be bumping my neck almost .007 in one shot, is that good? or do i need inbetween bushings like .290, .292? etc...

I know the redding type s neck die they recommend about 3 bushings-ish
 
You would be better off with a tighter chamber neck.
If you use a .288 bushing get a steel bushing so you can polish in a generous lead in.
 
You would be better off with a tighter chamber neck.
If you use a .288 bushing get a steel bushing so you can polish in a generous lead in.
Ok. Thank you. But my question is to you need to size down in multiple steps? Or can I go down .007 with the one bushing
 
You can go down in one step but you really need to get a chamber with a smaller neck or thicker neck brass that is a big jump because your brass probably expanded back a couple thou after firing. I bet you have like a .298 nk at least
 
The question is, with the .288 bushing I will be bumping my neck almost .007 in one shot, is that good? o

Redding- more then .008" may cause problems. Read at there website.

Runout is one, other, neck may be smaller then whats marked on the bushing.
 
You can go down in one step but you really need to get a chamber with a smaller neck or thicker neck brass that is a big jump because your brass probably expanded back a couple thou after firing. I bet you have like a .298 nk at least
You can go down in one step but you really need to get a chamber with a smaller neck or thicker neck brass that is a big jump because your brass probably expanded back a couple thou after firing. I bet you have like a .298 nk at least
is that not normal for 6.5 creedmoor? I have a barrel made by kreiger. I would think it was made with an excellent reemer??? Your thoughts...
 
I'd like to know how they work in the competitive arena.....i.e using full power loads without causing bolt click issues ?

I've used the Bushing-Bump in 308 and 284 Win for some years now. The 284 was a bored-out 6.5-284 model as Forster didn't make it at that time in 284 - "No demand for this caliber" they responded when I emailed them, but I see it's listed now.

My 284 loads are moderate pressure ones, but my 308 Win FTR load is rated at getting on for 63-64,000 psi if QuickLOAD is to be believed, 3,050 fps in northern UK temperatures of around 40-65F with the 155.5gn Berger over IMR-8208XBR in a 32-inch barrel, and at the F-Class Worlds at Raton in 2013 that rose to right on 3,100 fps or ~68.000 psi in 90-deg plus temperatures. In a 'minimum-SAAMI' chamber, the Lapua Palma brass has never been FL sized and both chambering and extraction in a Stolle Atlas FTR action are still easy with cases that have had several firings including those that had a couple in the hot / high pressure New Mexico conditions. There is no 'click' at all. That may not apply to other cartridge designs or weaker brass of course being run at equivalent pressures.

I can't pass on others' experiences as strangely, the Bushing-Bump form doesn't seem to have caught the imaginations of competitive shooters here. I don't know how often I've been told that I really ought to FL size as any form of NS is inadequate even with the shoulder bump. What my B-B form experiences say to me is that unless pressures rise to a point where the lower case body has to be resized as a matter of necessity, the benefits coming from FL sizing are primarily in the shoulder bump work. In a factory rifle with a likely less concentric chamber, there may still be benefits in reducing the majority of the case-body diameter.

Now that Forster has a much larger range of cartridges in its B-B die inventory, if I were starting out today, I'd likely use this type for the majority of cartridges I load instead of my usual combination of a Redding body die in a bench press and a Wilson NS die in an arbour type.
 
I've used the Bushing-Bump in 308 and 284 Win for some years now. The 284 was a bored-out 6.5-284 model as Forster didn't make it at that time in 284 - "No demand for this caliber" they responded when I emailed them, but I see it's listed now.

My 284 loads are moderate pressure ones, but my 308 Win FTR load is rated at getting on for 63-64,000 psi if QuickLOAD is to be believed, 3,050 fps in northern UK temperatures of around 40-65F with the 155.5gn Berger over IMR-8208XBR in a 32-inch barrel, and at the F-Class Worlds at Raton in 2013 that rose to right on 3,100 fps or ~68.000 psi in 90-deg plus temperatures. In a 'minimum-SAAMI' chamber, the Lapua Palma brass has never been FL sized and both chambering and extraction in a Stolle Atlas FTR action are still easy with cases that have had several firings including those that had a couple in the hot / high pressure New Mexico conditions. There is no 'click' at all. That may not apply to other cartridge designs or weaker brass of course being run at equivalent pressures.

I can't pass on others' experiences as strangely, the Bushing-Bump form doesn't seem to have caught the imaginations of competitive shooters here. I don't know how often I've been told that I really ought to FL size as any form of NS is inadequate even with the shoulder bump. What my B-B form experiences say to me is that unless pressures rise to a point where the lower case body has to be resized as a matter of necessity, the benefits coming from FL sizing are primarily in the shoulder bump work. In a factory rifle with a likely less concentric chamber, there may still be benefits in reducing the majority of the case-body diameter.

Now that Forster has a much larger range of cartridges in its B-B die inventory, if I were starting out today, I'd likely use this type for the majority of cartridges I load instead of my usual combination of a Redding body die in a bench press and a Wilson NS die in an arbour type.
So you are kind of addressing something I was thinking. I am gonna ask this as a total beginner. So if I sound stupid, You know why.

Would the Forster bump neck die be a poor mans neil Jones or Warner tool fl die? What I mean is, The body of your case is fire formed, your bumping the neck to the same small consistent amount every time you reload, and your using a neck bushing. Now, I know this is NOT a Neil jones, so nobody laugh. I’m just wondering if it is a form of what their dies are doing?
 
Wnen the die first became available, i emailed Forster about the instructions.
4.0 CASE SIZING PROCEDURE
1. Install the die into any standard 7/8-14 thread reloading press or
Forster’s Co-Ax® Reloading Press so that it makes contact with the
shell holder when the ram is at its uppermost position.
2. Tighten the Cross Bolt Die Lock Ring (DIE-G-10) by using a 7/64
short arm hex key on the Die Lock Ring Screw (6-32 X ½").
3. Insert a case into the reloading press.
4. Size the case by actuating the reloading press. (Ensure the die
makes complete contact with the shell holder.)
5. Remove the sized case from the die.

At this setting, shell holder and die making contact, its possible to push the shoulder back to much. This may increase case body diameter, causing the brass to not chamber.

If you measure head to datum and adjust the die to control bump, it should not be a problem?

I never bought one. I went with a Redding fl sizing type S bushing die and control bump with it.
 
So you are kind of addressing something I was thinking. I am gonna ask this as a total beginner. So if I sound stupid, You know why.

Would the Forster bump neck die be a poor mans neil Jones or Warner tool fl die? What I mean is, The body of your case is fire formed, your bumping the neck to the same small consistent amount every time you reload, and your using a neck bushing. Now, I know this is NOT a Neil jones, so nobody laugh. I’m just wondering if it is a form of what their dies are doing?
Well here is my take on the neck bump die......it's just like every off the shelf die -it's a roll of the dice if it will work for your chamber. My vote goes for a custom FL bushing die from Whidden. It will allow you to resize brass loaded full power and offer the best case life if loading mid-range to full power. Once brass gets big in the back end it has developed a memory and will refuse sizing once FL sizing becomes necessary requiring using ring dies or small base dies or resorting to grinding shell holders.
 

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