284 Win OR 7mm-08 OR 7mm-08 AI

[Bart B.]

The .284 was built for a 22 inch barrel

Does that imply it wont do well with a different barrel length?

I've never heard any cartridge built for a given barrel length. The most accurate 284 Win rifles' barrels are probably several inches longer and used in match rifles.

 

[CTanM]

Does that imply it wont do well with a different barrel length?

I've never heard any cartridge built for a given barrel length. The most accurate 284 Win rifles' barrels are probably several inches longer and used in match rifles.

Quite the opposite.

I argued that the .284 would work fine with a 22 inch barrel. Despite the fact that it works well in longer barrels.

Most .284s today will wear a barrel 6-8 inches longer than that. But if a guy wants to shoot a 22 incher it’ll be fine

 

[Bart B.]

I argued that the .284 would work fine with a 22 inch barrel.

You stated the .284 was built for a 22 inch barrel. That's what l commented about. SAAMI spec for the 284 Win cartridge velocity and pressure data uses a 24 inch barrel.

The 284's first commercial rifle may well had 22 inch barrels.

 

[CTanM]

You stated the .284 was built for a 22 inch barrel. That's what l commented about.

You should read the whole thread I guess?

Read about the birth of the .284?

The 8 twist 30 inch barrels you speak of weren’t involved in the introduction of the .284.

It was said that the .284 was overkill for a 22 inch barrel.

I simply stated that it’s been shot through a lot of them.

I wouldn’t pick a 284 for a 22 inch barrel, unless I already had the components. In which case I would, and I wouldn’t be concerned with it being overkill.

 

[AckleymanII]

Which ever case you choose, if you are using a remington action, have a Wyatt's mag box installed to give you more length.

A Tikka action with it's longer length would have some advantages.

 

[284winner]

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This is why I absolutely love this site. Such great information from people that can discuss opinions and experiences in a rational manner and tone. I appreciate ALL of the info.

Anyway, back on subject. If I went with a long action 284 with the 22 inch barrel, would it have significant advantage over the 7mm-08 or 7mm-08 AI?

Pretty significant yes. Be like comparing a 30-06 to the 308 ballistically speaking.

 

[284winner]

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You should read the whole thread I guess?

Read about the birth of the .284?

The 8 twist 30 inch barrels you speak of weren’t involved in the introduction of the .284.

It was said that the .284 was overkill for a 22 inch barrel.

I simply stated that it’s been shot through a lot of them.

I wouldn’t pick a 284 for a 22 inch barrel, unless I already had the components. In which case I would, and I wouldn’t be concerned with it being overkill.

Upon the introduction of the 284 win in the levers and auto loaders, a 22" barrel was the norm. The cartridge was loaded at 2.800 burying the bullet deep in the case taking much of it's potential away. Today many believe using that OAL is ridiculous. In reality with all the newest powders and ballistically superior bullets vs 1963, it's not really that bad of a platform. My SA 284 uses AICS mags allowing 2.980 OAL. To me that's about as short as I care to go.

 

[86alaskan]

I'm going through a similar debate right now. I plan on using my Tikka T3 action with LA stop and a 20" carbon barrel. I want the extra performance that the 284 can offer while keeping it short. I'll be fitting a suppressor so the shorter barrel will help keep the total package from being too long. While the 284 may be over kill for the short barrel, I'll bet with proper powder and bullet selection it will surpass the other 2 easily. There's no replacement for displacement.....or powder capacity.

 

[Bart B.]

Pretty significant yes. Be like comparing a 30-06 to the 308 ballistically speaking.

When all else is at saami specs, 30-06 is about 100 fps faster.

 

[CTanM]

When all else is at saami specs, 30-06 is about 100 fps faster.

The 30-06 has a good bit more potential for the handloader

 

[normmatzen]

My long range BR heavy gun is a straight 284 WIN and at 28" is considered short.
My hunting rifle is a VZ-24 actioned home built rifle with a 24" barrel and WWII 7X57 barrel.
I would believe with a 22" barrel you would be happy with either a 7-08 or 7-08 AI OR even a 7X57. My gun shoots great with 140 gr or 162 gr bullets and the lighter bullets yield even higher Mv. I'm not sure an AI is that much better with a 22" barrel due to powder burn time?

Yes. the 7X57 is still a great cartridge!

 

[Bart B.]

The 30-06 has a good bit more potential for the handloader

Both have shot handloaded 100 to 240 grain bullets nicely, 308's bullets left about 100 fps slower.

 

[284winner]

When all else is at saami specs, 30-06 is about 100 fps faster.

Yep my figures came to about 150 fps

 

[AROKHUNTER]

Yep my figures came to about 150 fps

BUT, is that velocity difference consistent for any given barrel length, OR is there a continuous reduction in velocity difference as barrel length is reduced?

AND, if so, at what barrel length is the 100fps-150fps consistent?

 

[284winner]

BUT, is that velocity difference consistent for any given barrel length, OR is there a continuous reduction in velocity difference as barrel length is reduced?

AND, if so, at what barrel length is the 100fps-150fps consistent?

Well I'll say this. There's about a 12 grain case capacity difference between the two. 56 gr vs 68 gr. Do with that what you want. It's not just a small difference is capacity. Significant enough to count and being in a LA platform gets the most of that case.

 

[284winner]

I'm a huge fan of the 308 BTW. I don't believe the performance difference means much BUT it is there. Much of the same difference in the 7-08 vs 284 all things being equal.

 

[AROKHUNTER]

Well I'll say this. There's about a 12 grain case capacity difference between the two. 56 gr vs 68 gr. Do with that what you want. It's not just a small difference is capacity. Significant enough to count and being in a LA platform gets the most of that case.

I’m with ya! Lol. Just a little poke there 284winner. Thanks for the info.

I’m wondering how bad the muzzle blast would be from the 284 and a 22” barrel? I would think that it shouldn’t be any worse than a 30-06, 280, or a 270.

 

[jetboat]

After hearing all the BS and hype about the which 284/7mm is better I will stay with my 7x57. If your not willing or lacking the skill to stalk your prey stay on the porch. If the shot is placed in the kill zone will do the job, Knife, spear or rock same results.

 

[284winner]

After hearing all the BS and hype about the which 284/7mm is better I will stay with my 7x57. If your not willing or lacking the skill to stalk your prey stay on the porch. If the shot is placed in the kill zone will do the job, Knife, spear or rock same results.

The 7x57 is a great cartridge. Call it what you want, BS, Hype, don't matter. Being this is a shooting forum, this is what people do. It's not necessarily about which is better. It's more about which we prefer for a given task. Long range short range really doesn't matter either. Again it's about choice. If a guy can't hit something beyond 100 yards, maybe he should stick to knitting in the rocker. Either way this subject will continue to be discussed because it's a shooting topic of this forum. BTW Arokhunter, no worries, I was only giving info in the difference of the two cases. The 7-08 is basically a 308 capacity and the 06 close to the 284.

 

[AROKHUNTER]

After hearing all the BS and hype about the which 284/7mm is better I will stay with my 7x57. If your not willing or lacking the skill to stalk your prey stay on the porch. If the shot is placed in the kill zone will do the job, Knife, spear or rock same results.

I’m not looking for THE BEST OVERALL. I’m just trying to gather information from knowledgeable and experienced shooters so that I can make the most informed decision as to which chambering will work better in MY APPLICATION. There will always be a best, or at least a better, option between different chamberings depending on the application AND personal preferences AND desired outcomes.