Anneling Cool are not to cool

[muleman69]

Generally, there is no advantage to dropping them in water, with one exception, that would be salt bath annealing, where the water is more about dissolving any of the annealing salt that sticks to the case. You will see this explained starting at about 2:08.

You might want to watch the entire video, it looks like an interesting way to anneal.

ya this is a great set up

 

[Dusty Stevens]

Muleman69, try to understand many reloaders woke up one day and declared themselves 'annealers'; They have no ideal there were rules to follow when annealing cases in the old days. As time past they never learned the rules or they have forgotten the rules.

So? If you decide to use water in a pan with the cases standing up in the water when annealing understand why you choose to stand the case in the water and if you choose to drop the heated case in water too cool; understand why.

I sat down one day and studied the rules after writing a few rules down a made annealing tools, so simple, so easy. Problem, there are members on reloading forums that get dizzy, out of fear some will go from dizzy to passing out I protect them by not sharing.

F. Guffey

 

[M-61]

Why would a reloader choose to stand the case in a pan of water

My recollection was this was to ensure the head of the case and somewhat above was NOT subjected to heat and thus softening.

 

[jr600yd]

I’m so confused.......
I still use the electric drill and socket. I drop the annealed case on a damp towel. They cool off quickly.

 

[Webster]

Mule, when you start understanding his responses, that's when you need to start worrying! If you ever do figure guffey out, please key the rest of us in...

Eleven lines of text and all Fguffey said was I made list of rules. Retired is on a record pace to set an all time record for responses on this website. I noticed some guys never ask a question they just respond to others with their opinions.

 

[divingin]

The advantage of dropping them in water is that they are cool enough to handle in a second or two. The disadvantage is that they have to be dried afterward. As stated previously it does not affect the brass properties at all.

FWIW, I use an AnnealEez, and do not quench. Cases sit in a bread loaf pan for 5-10 minutes (depending on batch size - more cases take longer to cool), and are good to go.

 

[fguffey]

Steel heat treat is dependent on cooling. Brass is different metallurgy. Brass cannot be hardened by quenching. Brass hardens by working.

I am sure someone said something about heat treating brass, it is not a problem but I can not find that information posted in this thread. In the big inning case cooling options were mentioned and still no one had introduced rules so it still looks like you annealers woke up one morning and declared yourself 'an annealer'.

And then there is "I do not want to get my cases wet". I got 2,200 cases wet, in the process I saved 6 days of tumbling; I paid one cent each for the 30/06 once fired cases because no one wanted to clean them.

F. Guffey

 

[muleman69]

Eleven lines of text and all Fguffey said was I made list of rules. Retired is on a record pace to set an all time record for responses on this website. I noticed some guys never ask a question they just respond to others with their opinions.

We do need responses and opinions but on the other hand we don't need somebody telling us what they don't no.

 

[muleman69]

I’m so confused.......
I still use the electric drill and socket. I drop the annealed case on a damp towel. They cool off quickly.

How long do you normally leave it in the flame ? I'm still experimenting , I will be the first to admit I don't no what I'm doing

 

[carlsbad]

I am sure someone said something about heat treating brass, it is not a problem but I can not find that information posted in this thread. In the big inning case cooling options were mentioned and still no one had introduced rules so it still looks like you annealers woke up one morning and declared yourself 'an annealer'.

And then there is "I do not want to get my cases wet". I got 2,200 cases wet, in the process I saved 6 days of tumbling; I paid one cent each for the 30/06 once fired cases because no one wanted to clean them.

F. Guffey

Good for you.

 

[bsekf]

SCIENTIFIC: I drop in water to stop heat migration.

ACTUALLY: I drop in water so I don't burn my fingers when I grab one.

 

[6MMsteve]

I am sure someone said something about heat treating brass, it is not a problem but I can not find that information posted in this thread. In the big inning case cooling options were mentioned and still no one had introduced rules so it still looks like you annealers woke up one morning and declared yourself 'an annealer'.

And then there is "I do not want to get my cases wet". I got 2,200 cases wet, in the process I saved 6 days of tumbling; I paid one cent each for the 30/06 once fired cases because no one wanted to clean them.

F. Guffey

 

[Milo 2.0]

How long do you normally leave it in the flame ? I'm still experimenting , I will be the first to admit I don't no what I'm doing

Tempilac tells a story, buy some and use it. Setting or giving a time not realistic, lot of variables. The flame itself, how far away is the flame, speed of rotation to an extent, etc...

 

[jr600yd]

How long do you normally leave it in the flame ? I'm still experimenting , I will be the first to admit I don't no what I'm doing

It depends on the case. 6XC cases 5 seconds. 284 seven seconds. Each caliber will have a different time.

 

[fguffey]

Good for you.

Thank you,

F. Guffey

 

[JBO]

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NOW THAT"S FUNNY

 

[Comrade Terry]

I am sure someone said something about heat treating brass, it is not a problem but I can not find that information posted in this thread. In the big inning case cooling options were mentioned and still no one had introduced rules so it still looks like you annealers woke up one morning and declared yourself 'an annealer'.

And then there is "I do not want to get my cases wet". I got 2,200 cases wet, in the process I saved 6 days of tumbling; I paid one cent each for the 30/06 once fired cases because no one wanted to clean them.

F. Guffey

 

[muleman69]

Tempilac tells a story, buy some and use it. Setting or giving a time not realistic, lot of variables. The flame itself, how far away is the flame, speed of rotation to an extent, etc...

Tempilac ,I will try and find some. What degree and how to use it?

 

[Milo 2.0]

Tempilac ,I will try and find some. What degree and how to use it?

I use 750 deg inside the neck, not sure what is standard, the fraction of a sec it starts to melt, drop from flame. I bought 450deg for the outside of bottom half of the case, for me non issue. I run a double torch system and no way do I need to gauge that aspect today.
Like I said earlier, you cannot go off someone else's times, guy above said XC takes around 5 sec, my annealer does it at 3.4, there's nothing the same in any of our setups.

 

[4xforfun]

I use a Benchsource and simply let the cases drop into a cardboard box. When I am done I simply walk over to the air compressor and blow air into the box for about 10 seconds, I go straight from there to the bench to start sizing.

Quick, easy and NO MESS!!

Tod