I'm relatively new to handguns and get the lower capacity reasoning of the 1911's but there are double stack 1911's with 12, 13 and 14 round capacities of 45's. Are they no good or why shy away from them?? Just asking and not meaning to hijack.
Glock 41 gen4 VS Colt 1911
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I'm relatively new to handguns and get the lower capacity reasoning of the 1911's but there are double stack 1911's with 12, 13 and 14 round capacities of 45's. Are they no good or why shy away from them?? Just asking and not meaning to hijack.
If you want something that’s always going to work go with the Glock. If you want something that all your friends will drool get the 1911. I have have 3 Glocks 22,27, and the 20sf. My first beautiful 1911 was a Kimber Eclipse in 45 Target model. Spent another $ 200 in extras on vz grips combat speed mag well and Ambidextrous safety. It jammed once every 200 rounds like clock work. Should of spent the money on a smith for a Reliability package. Now I spent even more money To get a Les Bear custom Carry. The front site does not glow and jams even more after spending a couple hundred dollars more than the Kimber.If you want my advice get the Glock for the house and get a 1911 for target practice. I’m not gonna give you any advice on the 1911 because obviously my pics just suck. Good luck with your pick, Jason
Of course they will say that. Using too hard or too soft will cause issues. I also have shot hundreds of pounds of lead bullets from glocks and they are fine. The zinc wheel weights in my personal experience never work unless you powder coat them. Then they are fine and colorful also. I like blue for 9mm as blue is the color for training.
Your grip will now be bigger, it's now a double stack mag. Most like the feel of a 1911 grip, it changes dramatically.
I'm laughing with you here, with a 1911 we love to see that Match Grade barrel and Match Grade chamber. Yeah right, tighten the tolerances of the chamber, because that will really improve accuracy.
Alexander-M
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I have had a number of 45’s, but will discuss only the full size models I have used, and still do, for IDPA matches: a Kimber Stainless Target II, which has served me well, and an HK45 Tactical.
I am partial to the 1911’s, primarily for their usually crisp triggers, accuracy, and also how they feel in my hand. The Kimber’s, of which I have two, are superbly made and fun to shoot; and yes, they are very accurate.
That having been said, I really like the Heckler & Koch HK45 USP Tactical, which is just as accurate, and has a 10-round magazine. The main reason for using the 1911 over the HK45 is the shorter trigger reset of the former. Although the reset on the HK45 is fine, I found myself a couple of times pulling the trigger without the pistol firing because I had not allowed the trigger to reset. This has never happened with the 1911.
Worth mentioning a great advantage of the H&K pistols (my wife has a USP Compact 9mm) is that they are the easiest to take apart, and they simply do not get as dirty as the 1911’s.
I do insist on an external hammer and thumb safety, and I do not like the trigger blades found on many modern guns, so I do not use a Glock. However, Glock’s are the most widely used by IDPA shooters; mostly in 9mm, though.
Alex
I am partial to the 1911’s, primarily for their usually crisp triggers, accuracy, and also how they feel in my hand. The Kimber’s, of which I have two, are superbly made and fun to shoot; and yes, they are very accurate.
That having been said, I really like the Heckler & Koch HK45 USP Tactical, which is just as accurate, and has a 10-round magazine. The main reason for using the 1911 over the HK45 is the shorter trigger reset of the former. Although the reset on the HK45 is fine, I found myself a couple of times pulling the trigger without the pistol firing because I had not allowed the trigger to reset. This has never happened with the 1911.
Worth mentioning a great advantage of the H&K pistols (my wife has a USP Compact 9mm) is that they are the easiest to take apart, and they simply do not get as dirty as the 1911’s.
I do insist on an external hammer and thumb safety, and I do not like the trigger blades found on many modern guns, so I do not use a Glock. However, Glock’s are the most widely used by IDPA shooters; mostly in 9mm, though.
Alex
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pirate ammo
Guaranteed to take the wind out of their sails
had a glock 17,,starting shooting a CZ 40B,,40s&w caliber,,sold the glock.the 40B looks and feels like a 1911,,maybe I'll get a creedmore just to agravate everybody
Toolbreaker
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Thanks for reply. I'm a "lanky" person though and they sure feel right for my hand and aren't the double stack strikers like that too? or am I missing something? They would seem like a good compromise but like I said, I'm a newbie to handguns. Standard 1911's are nice and slim all right but for my hands the double stackers feel better.....Just me though. The extra capacity doesn't hurt either.
By all means try one if you can. Be warned though, other than Para-Ordinance, they are pricey.
I'm terrible with a pistol anymore, just don't practice, had a good reason. My hands smaller, double stack not for me.
But I just bought a WC EDC X9, double stack 9mm, and it seems to fit, so much so that shooting with the pad of my finger impossible, uncomfortable because of how far it sticks out from the gun, the crook of first digit works. Getting the hang of it again, and like the 15ct to make up for lack of skill.
I am not disputing your experience or anyone elses. As I mentioned, I simply stated what Glock recommends. That's all, nothing more.
DirtySteve
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I have two Les Baers and neither have ever jammed. In facted the only time I ever had on jam was when I was at the Bianchi Cup in 2004 and choose to change out recoil springs to a lighter one before the steel plate match. Yeah that did not work out well for me. That was in my Kimber Match Target. Oh do not buy a Kimber. Too many MIM parts and a plastic main spring housing. None of those are acceptable on a $1000.00 pistol.
Having stated my love of the 1911. The only other gun I find acceptable is the S&W M&P.. As a result I have bought 4 of them. three in 9 mm and a 22 LR. They are my carry guns because if you are involved in a shooting the police will mark the gun as evidence.
When switching from a M&P to 1911 I have never gave a conscious thought of taking off the thumb safety. I probably take off an imaginary one from my M&P's. For the sake of just throwing out some info. I was on the San Antonio PD team to test new handguns. Every tester we selected fired the M&P better (higher score) than any other pistol. I believe it was by a margin of ten points. Second place was the Springfield XDM. The Glock gen4, Sig, Berretta were not as good for the officers. The Glock placed third. We tested a dude with huge hands and a gal with the smallest hands I have seen on an adult. All shot the M&P better.
Well now I find myself wanting a S&W Performance Center 1911....
Having stated my love of the 1911. The only other gun I find acceptable is the S&W M&P.. As a result I have bought 4 of them. three in 9 mm and a 22 LR. They are my carry guns because if you are involved in a shooting the police will mark the gun as evidence.
When switching from a M&P to 1911 I have never gave a conscious thought of taking off the thumb safety. I probably take off an imaginary one from my M&P's. For the sake of just throwing out some info. I was on the San Antonio PD team to test new handguns. Every tester we selected fired the M&P better (higher score) than any other pistol. I believe it was by a margin of ten points. Second place was the Springfield XDM. The Glock gen4, Sig, Berretta were not as good for the officers. The Glock placed third. We tested a dude with huge hands and a gal with the smallest hands I have seen on an adult. All shot the M&P better.
Well now I find myself wanting a S&W Performance Center 1911....
One? One is an odd number. The best way to own 1911's is in multiples of two.
I had a Range Master show me a picture of a Glock that had blown up. The owner shot cast bullets, then a jacketed bullet. BOOM! I was told this was a regular occurrence at this range. To each his own but when the Manufacturer says you should not do it, is it really a good idea??
Not that I want this topic to go the wrong direction. I responded to the initial cast bullets response so let me give more of my experience. I fully understand that Glock does not recommend the use of cast bullets. They say their polygonal barrels do not cut the cast bullet well in that particular barrel without excessive fouling. For someone to say running one cast bullet down any barrel and the next bullet being jacketed causing the gun to go "Boom" tells me they NEVER cleaned that barrel. Then even more fouling occurred from raw lead and then and only then did a cast bullet cause this. I'm not recommending it but I do it. I do it because I properly clean my barrels after each shooting session or field use. That's how I know mine will have zero issues. It's the reason Glock makes this warning. Many people simply do not clean their pistols regularly or enough. Sierra recommends that you don't use match bullets for game animals. Well that topic has been literally dissected numerous times here on this forum and many members agree. Most members have and do use them because they perform and kill game dead. No tracking and deadly accurate. Period. I would recommend following the manufacturers directions. I just go outside the norm a bit.
I always like these stories for so many reasons.
I have seen a few that have been blown over the years. In every case here is the story of 4 guys I have met over the years.
1. Is the bullet lead or zinc?
2. How hard were the bullets?
3. Did you know there was parts of your bullets in the bore?
4. How thick was this build up?
5. What kind of speed are you getting out of your new 40?
Their answers follow
1. Just a blank stair then an answer of lead.
Wheel weights are now zinc not lead and have been so for a very long time. Tell them this they will tell you they did not know that but they got the lead from a local shop and their bullets are lead. When in reality they are zinc.
2. They never know.
3. Only one of the 4 guys knew there was "leading" or in reality "zincing" of the bore. But the day it blew he did not look to know for sure.
4. How would they know they never looked.
5. All of them shoot loads that are questionable at best. It seems like most of the 40 shooters out there like to replicate 10mm speeds.
Granted this is only 4 handguns but the story was replicated by 4 separate guys who as far as I know never met eachother. When I tell this story most are shocked that they are all 40S&W. I am sure others have the same stories about 9mm and 45acp handguns but I have not met them yet.
Now to answer your question of "is it really a good idea?". That is a tough question to answer. If you are a person who just shoots and does not think. Well then it is not good. If you are a shooter who is thinking and looks at their equipment and are willing to accept what happens. Then sure it is a good idea. This is how we learn. It is like the first guy who tried powdered paint to coat bullets. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.
If you know who Larry Vickers is, here is a pretty good summation of his take on the Glock vs 1911 question:
https://www.militarytimes.com/off-d.../08/read-this-before-you-buy-your-first-1911/
If you don't know who Larry Vickers is, read this:
http://soldiersystems.net/2017/03/11/gunfighter-moment-larry-vickers-54/
His word is more than enough for me.
My 1911's are a blast to shoot, accurate, and look sweet.
I don't have carry holsters for those 1911's.
I DO have carry holsters for all of my Glocks...
https://www.militarytimes.com/off-d.../08/read-this-before-you-buy-your-first-1911/
If you don't know who Larry Vickers is, read this:
http://soldiersystems.net/2017/03/11/gunfighter-moment-larry-vickers-54/
His word is more than enough for me.
My 1911's are a blast to shoot, accurate, and look sweet.
I don't have carry holsters for those 1911's.
I DO have carry holsters for all of my Glocks...
I hate even saying this, but it is up to each individual as to what he wants to trust his life with, if it comes to that. A 1911 sits by my bed, it has never jammed or failed on me. Ones that have are range guns. Does not mean it wont happen.
I've seen my share of limp wrist glock jams, no one actually knows how they will react.
I could just as easy prop my Sig MPX up against the nightstand, 50 rd mag, 4 clicks clockwise and the Cmore is lit up. If I start shooting, there will be white flags popping up. It's all a choice, the op's decision.
Edit: Clint Smith, Thunder Ranch a 1911 guy, lol
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