Glock 41 gen4 VS Colt 1911

[retired]

it is simple
it is call muscle memory
you always start with a round in the chamber,
the hammer cocked and the safety on
draw, safety off, squeeze trigger


and your shotgun does not have a safety..both of mine do ?
you leave them lying around loaded, with the safety off ?

i have two shotgun in my house, but more like 6 handguns..something is always close.
and yes i have two dillon 550's to feed my handguns with.

keep talking yourself out of practicing.

Got to agree;
If one routinely shoots modern DA/ SA pistols, and Glocks, etc, betting your life you'll remember to flip the thumb safety on a 1911 when you're filling your shorts is not something I'd do.

1911 is a great piece of machinery, If I had a few hundred thousand rounds doing drills with one, it would be a self defense piece for me. I don't, and it won't.

 

[ED3]

it is simple
it is call muscle memory
you always start with a round in the chamber,
the hammer cocked and the safety on
draw, safety off, squeeze trigger


and your shotgun does not have a safety..both of mine do ?
you leave them lying around loaded, with the safety off ?

i have two shotgun in my house, but more like 6 handguns..something is always close.
and yes i have two dillon 550's to feed my handguns with.

keep talking yourself out of practicing.

Thanks for making my point at the same time you ignored it. Your two shotguns both have safeties, and operate similarly, as opposed to the various pistols discussed, each with a unique manual of arms.

What you refer to as "muscle memory" actually involves the brain and the nervous system and is in fact the reason one continuously repeats an act, or movement to create something akin to an automatic response.

I don't believe I mentioned my practice/ training regimen or goals.

But, by all means, please tell me how shooting a Glock, or DA/ SA SIG, or any of the pistols mentioned prepares one for a life or death emergency use of a 1911?
And most instructors will advise one to press the trigger, as opposed to squeezing it.
Regards.

 

[retired]

go read my original post.
it covers a cocked and locked 1911.

Thanks for making my point at the same time you ignored it. Your two shotguns both have safeties, and operate similarly, as opposed to the various pistols discussed, each with a unique manual of arms.

What you refer to as "muscle memory" actually involves the brain and the nervous system and is in fact the reason one continuously repeats an act, or movement to create something akin to an automatic response.

I don't believe I mentioned my practice/ training regimen or goals.

But, by all means, please tell me how shooting a Glock, or DA/ SA SIG, or any of the pistols mentioned prepares one for a life or death emergency use of a 1911?
And most instructors will advise one to press the trigger, as opposed to squeezing it.
Regards.

 

[1shot]

Going to piss a lot of people off here but oh well. lots of bad advise.

First,, a target practice / fun gun hardly ever equates to an effective first choice home defense gun. a 1911 is a competly diffetent animal than a glock. different grip, different firing sequence, different everything. when the shit hits the fan you ALWAYS revert back to what you know. the difference netween the two will cause you issues at some point.

You train like you fight so you will fight like you train.

I'm on board with this 110% ^^^
The Glock for as ugly as it is is little more than a high capacity revolver. Press the trigger, it goes bang. No levers, buttons switches etc. to remember to work. When the excrement hits the wind agitator you want simple and reliable. Period.
I hope this helps,

Lloyd

 

[284winner]

For me, the Glock wouldn't be considered because I don't like the trigger, it is huge and blocky, and probably not as accurate as a good 1911 (you mentioned target practice). The Glock won't shoot cast bullets unless you replace the barrel. For in home protection with the 1911, get a couple of Chip McCormick 10 round magazines and you are good to go for 21 rounds. For me, the 1911 feels like an extension of my arm. If weight is an issue, Colt has one model that is full size with an aluminum frame.

1911 = Class

I shoot only Glocks. Untrue statement that Glocks won't shoot cast bullets. I shoot hardcast 200-220 with my Glock 20 and 40. Both function flawlessly from factory Glock barrels. That's always been a myth or printing in publications that are untrue. Everyone has their personal favorite but Glocks do shoot cast bullets well.

 

[284winner]

Since this is an opinion poll, I will add my worthless plug nickle.

I carried a Glock 22 (40SW) for 20 years, and started with a 686. I bought a 1911 after retiring, because "everyone should have at least one". It was cool to look at, made me smile with the glamour, the heft, the "old school cool".

it also was heavier than a dead mother in law, poked me in the ribs more than a cranky wife, had to be reloaded twice as often, and cost thrice as much as the Glock. Like a hot red head, it was fine for a date, but I married another Glock, sent the 1911 on for someone with more class than me and have been very happy with my tupperware launcher. So i am fine with a firearm that doesn't poke me, has never hiccupped, carries lots of ammo, shoots as good as I ever will under stress, and cost 1/3 of what the 1911 cost me (got a smoking deal). Even though I am old I can clean it out of a duty holster in .8, and complete a body armor drill in just under 2. It went 1800 rounds without a cleaning and only quit cause I dumped a mag in the mud then slammed it home...a quick switch and shake and we kept right on working...slower, but working.

I cannot say that for the 1911, but hey, some guys like hot redheads all the time ya know...

Just my opinion, and no one should feel like they need to agree.

Snert, I too carry a Glock on duty. The Glock 22 as well. Carried the S&W revolver beginning my career and the dept picked up the Glock just after they were introduced. I've been shooting one since. I own 4 of my own and will not shoot any other pistols for defense in conditions other than in my home. I believe the 1911 clones are fine guns. I also believe there best left inside where they are out of the elements and kept clean. That's where they will function flawlessly. The Glocks are made to run in all conditions. The newest 1911s aren't what the soldiers carried back in wartime when the 45 caliber pistols were being used by the US military. Those Colts were loose and could run in those conditions. Today, the Glocks are this countries number one law enforcement defense gun...Period. Check all the statistics Nationwide. They don't lie. Again, everyone has their own personal preference in handguns. They all get the job done and they perform well. It's just amazing to me how well the Glocks do in conditions that a gun should not even function in.

 

[Regnar]

This has nothing to do with carrying lovked and cocked and nothing to do with one pistol being better than the other. go read the original post and get on the program. every freaking thread yoy post on turns into you know more than everyone else.

 

[JRS]

The 41 is a behemoth. Both are reliable and get the job done, but to do so accurately, it is going to have to fit you well.

 

[284winner]

This has nothing to do with carrying lovked and cocked and nothing to do with one pistol being better than the other. go read the original post and get on the program. every freaking thread yoy post on turns into you know more than everyone else.

My .02 is all you see. Commenting on the OPs request. Maybe go back and read it yourself. Locked and cocked was introduced later in the thread.

The 41 is a behemoth. Both are reliable and get the job done, but to do so accurately, it is going to have to fit you well.

Yes they are compared to the 1911 guns. The G21 is even more of a behemoth. Definitely helps to match the gun to the hand using it. Not the case with the 1911s. They seem to fit almost all hands.

 

[Duhawk]

I've got a Springfield 1911 loaded in .45, and love it. It's by far the most accurate handgun I own. No trigger creep, heavy enough to dull the recoil for quick follow-up shots. I've carried it as cross-draw, hot and cocked, and it's heavy....but impractical for a carry weapon due to magazine size. I also own 2 Berettas, PX4 in .40 and 92A in 9mm. Both Berettas have trigger creep, which drives me crazy, but the PX4 is 2nd in accuracy and is my carry weapon due to magazine size.
In a real firing situation, how many rounds would one go through before one actually aimed? And would you even think of changing clips (if you carried extra).
So for me. Target, the 1911 can't be beat...carry, I use the PX4 due to it's larger clip capacity.
I'm with those who don't care for plastic handguns, but have few choices.....carry and shoot what you're comfortable with be it Glock or 1911.
Btw, all mine are full size. I recover from recoil much quicker with a heavier gun, and being right handed but left eye dominate, I carry cross-draw so size doesn't matter (at least with hand-guns).

 

[Milo 2.0]

The op should have included just how much he was willing to spend. I wouldn't even entertain buying a 1911 today for under 1800, been on that road. I tossed around the idea of a glock to shoot 15K semi wadcutter ammo that would not feed in any 1911. Picked up an S&W 625 for the job. Turned out I would've only used a glock if it had been given to me, I wasn't paying a dime for one.

 

[Knotwild]

I shoot only Glocks. Untrue statement that Glocks won't shoot cast bullets.

From Glock's Website:

Can I use lead bullets?
No, we recommend the use of jacketed ammunition only.

 

[284winner]

From Glock's Website:

Can I use lead bullets?
No, we recommend the use of jacketed ammunition only.

Yes they do recommend non cast BUT cast bullets shoot very well in the Glocks polygonal barrels. I too read that but wanted to use hardcast buffalo bore and corbon. I decided to pick some up and try them out. After getting great results, I stuck with them. Then read many others experiences with cast bullets and some guys even saying soft cast are good to go as well. Not a fan of soft cast so no need to try them out.

 

[Baddog0302]

For me, the Glock wouldn't be considered because I don't like the trigger, it is huge and blocky, and probably not as accurate as a good 1911 (you mentioned target practice). The Glock won't shoot cast bullets unless you replace the barrel. For in home protection with the 1911, get a couple of Chip McCormick 10 round magazines and you are good to go for 21 rounds. For me, the 1911 feels like an extension of my arm. If weight is an issue, Colt has one model that is full size with an aluminum frame.

1911 = Class

I suggest you read what cast bullet shooters have to say on shooting cast [not coated bullets] in Glock 45's; http://castboolits.gunloads.com/index.php
I used to run 50 + cast rounds through my G 21 so I know what I'm talking about
BUT to the OP's question, GLOCK TRIGGERS SUCK as far at target shooting goes, that's why my Glock has a permanent home on the night table next to my bed. Not asked , but consider your living situation [ Apt. or house & city or country] when choosing your home defense ammo.

 

[KWeigel]

Looking to add a .45 caliber to my pistol collection. I have a Glock 43 and love it, I haven't used a 1911 but was interested in it. I'll be using it primarily for target practice and home defense (hopefully won't ever have to use it for that). Not looking to conceal carry it (already have a different one for that). Not concerned with aesthetics, more into toughness and reliability. So what would your pick be and why?

I have gone around and around with the glock vs 1911 thing. It boils down to what points and shoots best for you. For me it is GLOCK all the way. Don’t get me wrong I appreciate a really nice 1911 and own one yet. Have had some high end STI pistols(sold on forums) and was happy with them. For ME when I’m in a match I can shoot the GLOCK faster and more accurately almost every time. I sold off all except one 1911. This was from about two years of trial and error to determine what I should be competing with. I like all handguns and don’t get caught up in the Tupperware fight. Try a bunch out and find out what shoots best for you.

 

[KWeigel]

I shoot only Glocks. Untrue statement that Glocks won't shoot cast bullets. I shoot hardcast 200-220 with my Glock 20 and 40. Both function flawlessly from factory Glock barrels. That's always been a myth or printing in publications that are untrue. Everyone has their personal favorite but Glocks do shoot cast bullets well.

All of my factory Glock barrels have shot my home cast well. However a fellow shooter/smith has had some factory Glock barrels fowl quick and cause issues. I take his word for it and wouldn’t doubt him. I always approach it with caution and see if they will shoot them. All of my cast are straight wheel weights and about 90% Lyman molds.

 

[284winner]

I suggest you read what cast bullet shooters have to say on shooting cast [not coated bullets] in Glock 45's; http://castboolits.gunloads.com/index.php
I used to run 50 + cast rounds through my G 21 so I know what I'm talking about
BUT to the OP's question, GLOCK TRIGGERS SUCK as far at target shooting goes, that's why my Glock has a permanent home on the night table next to my bed. Not asked , but consider your living situation [ Apt. or house & city or country] when choosing your home defense ammo.

While I do not shoot the cast bullets in my model 30 Glock 45, i cannot say the 45s will shoot them. They DO shoot very well in the Glock 20 & 40 in 10mm. Since the subject was a preference one over the other, I'm simply a Glock guy. I do love the 1911s as they fit the hand like a glove. Shoot very well and are fine pistols. Still prefer Glocks. No hardcast ammo isn't even in the top 10 biped stoppers BUT when the need to get thru the skull of the largest quadruped in bear country, the hardcast is second to none. I'll stick with my 135 Corbons in my 40 for the nightstand.

 

[james]

I have 2 Glocks (17 and 26) and an MP9 Pro and really enjoy shooting them - accurate and extremely reliable. That being said as someone already posted everyone who like pistols should have at least one 1911 - a forever classic. I have two 1911's a Les Baer TRS and a Dan Wesson Valor - definitely keepers!

 

[284winner]

I have 2 Glocks (17 and 26) and an MP9 Pro and really enjoy shooting them - accurate and extremely reliable. That being said as someone already posted everyone who like pistols should have at least one 1911 - a forever classic. I have two 1911's a Les Baer TRS and a Dan Wesson Valor - definitely keepers!

I love my Colt 1911 gold cup. It shoots lights out. Feels and fits like a glove. Lower mag capacity but if I can't do it in 6-7 shots, may as well put it back in the safe. Great design and great classic pistol. Kudos to John Browning.

 

[Knotwild]

I suggest you read what cast bullet shooters have to say on shooting cast [not coated bullets] in Glock 45's

Thanks for the suggestion; I already have. I simply stated what Glock has on their website.