Hes just saying its not a custom bullet. The RDF also isnt charged at custom prices either.
No functional difference.
And whats stopping you from doing that with a RDF?
Nosler RDF's
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Hes just saying its not a custom bullet. The RDF also isnt charged at custom prices either.
No functional difference.
And whats stopping you from doing that with a RDF?
Thank you, that is my experience with the RDF’s also. Not so seater easy as I’ve heard. I’m not giving up on them yet because I have 950 left.
↑Hes just saying its not a custom bullet. The RDF also isnt charged at custom prices either.
No functional difference.
And whats stopping you from doing that with a RDF?
Does anyone know how much one grain of mass affects drop at 1000 yards?
No functional difference.
Are you saying that 1gr weight difference has no effect at 1000yds? Or any other closer range for that matter?
That was the reason I weighed them, I had heard of the inconsistency with them. Most of the information I read on them were seconds though. I had first run. I do not know if that was the case here. But, I weighed them and then weighed each group again.
I'd probably go further back. I've tried the 6mm 105s from touching the lands to .050 off and while I had absolutely brilliant ES and SD over 5 shots (.010 gave an ES of 4 and SD of 1.7), the groupings were still not great, not on par with Berger 105vld's. I've heard of one guy who went jumped as much as .120 to get them to shoot.
Best thing about the RDF's is everybody over here is trying them so thats more HVLD's on the shelves for me and we know the VLD's are a pain to get shooting.....but on a serious note the RDF range is a decent "bullet", on a different planet compare to Noslers previews OTM "custom" Comps. If the price wasn't just about the same as the VLDs around here I might have used them.
Well maybe I’ll try.120” off and go towards the lands. Thanks
Dusty Stevens
Shiner
what if it likes .140 or .150? always start jammed and then theres only one way to go. I can assure you you'll like something way before .120 if you get some good tests
Steve Donlon
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I'm no expert at 1000 yards but if the wind is light and steady my Ruger Precision Rifle in 6.5 Creedmoor shoots the 140 RDF bullets pretty darn good at 1000 yards. Will shoot .25" groups at 100 yards. I load at 2.845", and that is .1000 off the lands. At least that's what it was awhile ago. My friend has the same rifle and loads the same 2.845" measurement but uses H4350 and shoots better than I do. I use a lighter load of 40.5 grs of IMR 4451. He loads a couple grains more of the H4350. I'm holding less MOA at 1000 yards with the RDF bullets compared to the 140 ELD Match with the same powder load. I can't tell any difference in accuracy. Another reason I settled on 2.845" OAL is I could not go too much longer and still have .264" left in the case neck. With these kind of bullets that seems to be important with the factory type rifles I have.
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Is this the test that you are referring to? Thanks I'll give it a try.
From Bergers Page:
The quickest way to find this sweet spot is to load ammo at four different COAL. Start with a COAL that allows the bullet to touch the rifling. The next COAL needs to be .040 off the lands. The third COAL needs to be .080 off the lands. The last COAL needs to be .120 off the lands. One of these COAL will outperform the other three by a considerable margin. It has been reported that the VLD bullets don’t group as well at 100 yards but get better as the bullet “goes to sleep” at further ranges. We have learned that by doing the four COAL test you will find a COAL where the VLD bullets will group well at 100 yards. Once the COAL that shoots best is established you can tweak +/- .005 or .010 to increase precision or you can adjust powder charges and other load variables. Frankly, those who do the four COAL test usually are happy with the results they get from this test alone.
I've read that from Berger but it always leaves me scratching my head because when I do seating depth test, I've frequently found loads can have a huge difference in precision that are only 3 thousands difference in seating depth. So varying they by 40 thousands..... I just cannot fathom......
Not bashing Berger as I love their bullets as I know they are the best but....
Not bashing Berger as I love their bullets as I know they are the best but....
Dusty Stevens
Shiner
Thats a way to get there quick. If your barrel liked .125 off the best youd wear it out long before you got there at .003 at a time. Sometimes youll find one at .015 off thats good but at .100+ its way better
I've had 308's in the past and present that I would chase the throat wear to keep my best ojive seating. Then when there was just no neck left to seat the bullet in, and it was time to give up the ghost, I tried seating some rounds to 2.800" and for some reason that rifle shot very well for another 600-700 rounds. I couldn't believe how well it did with a .175"-.180" jump, with a barrel that had 6500 rounds thru it. I don't expect to get close to that round count with this factory RPR barrel, mainly because the RPR 6.5 Creedmoor barrel is chromoly and my 308's where SS. Anyways thanks for the help with finding a seating dept that might make the RDF's work.
Maybe just the difference between 6mm and 6.5 that Nosler produces. I haven't tried the 6mm's yet.
Not really, most of us that starts at around 10 thousands off usually find a good seating depth between 10 and 25 thousands. Personally, I have never gone deeper than 25 thousands, it was never needed.
LWP, that is the test I was talking about. I know that a lot of shooters are used to starting at/near the lands then testing in small increments. When I built my 6.5x47 I was shooting Berger 140 VLD's initially. They were hard to find locally so at the suggestion of a friend I tried the RDF's. I had tested the Berger VLD's and found the sweet spot at -.070". I read that the RDF's were not sensitive to seating depth but ran the test anyway. I would up at -.060". By the way, I shoot the Berger 168 VLD's in my 7RM and they are seated -.075". Yes, some shooters don't like to leave the -.010" - -.020" range but I find the Berger test works well and tests an initial wide range in an efficient manner. Without testing, you really don't know if you are at the best seating depth or not.
6MMsteve
Gold $$ Contributor
I'm done with the notslers my 6xc just shot Two 2x1/2 groups at 100 with them...then I went and got the 90 berger bts and shot a .264 just rackin them through...I tried jam jump 4350, h1000..r17..varget.. cci br win.federal match.no no and no..wish I could afford some Barts or somethin real good..but it's all good
Dusty Stevens
Shiner
You try any kind of sorting?
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