Warning for Ohio shooters (read this)

[snert]

If that’s the case you should no longer serve in that position. That’s why you get a paycheck to do stuff like that. That deputy has zero excuse for why he didn’t go in. The same thing happened with columbine. The police didn’t go in for 3 hours. They were “developing” the situation. Police were on scene in columbine when they started the massacre in the library.

We had soldiers who said they didn’t want to fight in Afghanistan. We sent them home and they were chaptered from the military for either mental health or failure to adapt. The same can be said for police. It’s a hard job, and scary no doubt, but you have to perform. If you don’t then what’s the point?

I hesitate to differ, but I do. I spent 17 years training guys to fight bad guys. Not soldiers, cops. And there is a huge difference, respectfully. Thank God.

Maybe he was a coward. Maybe he was the kind fat old near retirement worn out grizzled guy that they assigned there because meat eating dinosaurs are scary and schools want teddy bears, not killers. Don't overlook the powerful undercurrent of suspicion, hatred and general fear that permeates the education world when it comes to cops. I have personally experienced the wild eyed twitch of fear in the eyes of the principal in a local school when simply confronted with a direct yes/no question in a firm voice (ok, maybe it is a firm voice steeped in 20 years of dealing with liars) so it does not surprise me at all that the officer there did not act. Likely the product of getting what they asked for.

 

[MrBottleneck]

 

[300_whisper]

@snert I want to clarify that I wasn’t bashing cops. If that’s how you interpreted it, I apologize. I was just speaking about that one cop. I applied my experience and army logic to that situation, which doesn’t not necessarily relate to this. I know there are good, tough cops out there. Sadly they aren’t there when bad stuff happens (not by their fault) or if they are they stopped it and we will never hear about it.

 

[LarryDScott]

Schools are too big and porous to protect. There are doors
and windows everywhere. Fire dept regs will not let these doors be chained during school hours. Using the normal locking door system, where you can exit only, a second person on the inside
can let a shooter in. Putting enough security personnel in a school to thwart a shooter is next to impossible.

If students are bussed, here is another shooter opportunity that hasn't been tried yet.
It will be interesting to see how the government will OVER REGULATE these problems. LDS

 

[rkittine]

Both sides need to do a little Fact Checking

https://www.salon.com/2013/01/11/stop_talking_about_hitler/

 

[1shot]

I'm in Snert's camp on this one. I trained a lot of officers in a variety of arenas for a lot of years. Nearly 30 to be exact.
I've never second guessed an officers actions because I wasn't there to make that call. This officer could have been a ROD (retired on duty) or never faced a live weapon while down range from it.
Regardless, he knew the risks when he joined the force.
Being scared is normal, failing to act is cowardice.
My prayers go out to the families of all impacted by this
tragic event.

Lloyd

 

[snert]

@snert I want to clarify that I wasn’t bashing cops. If that’s how you interpreted it, I apologize. I was just speaking about that one cop. I applied my experience and army logic to that situation, which doesn’t not necessarily relate to this. I know there are good, tough cops out there. Sadly they aren’t there when bad stuff happens (not by their fault) or if they are they stopped it and we will never hear about it.

i knew that. I was not offended. And I often thought of myself as more warrior than cop, but that ALWAYS bit me in the butt (until some nutjob was running about with a knife then I was loved...for a second or two)

You bring up good points.

 

[dsculley]

My guess is that he was ROD, but that is still no excuse. He took the paycheck every week with a pledge to "Serve and Protect". And now he is going to receive his retirement. To me, there is something wrong here.

 

[6MMsteve]

you should do some research on the Sheriff,,, Cruz,, and some others your eyes may be open to something you don't wanna know, things are changing very fast Put on the full Armor __ ___? your going to need it in these ____ ____,,,

 

[V509]

Ohio was shotgun only for deer
We were very happy when they aloud us straight wall cartridges with a max of 3 shells in the gun for deer

It's illegal in many states currently to go afield with more than a 5 Rd magazine. It's the assault weapon definition that they are completely ignorant about. Most if not all semi auto deer it sporting rifles can accept a magazine that carries 10+ rds. It's about taking all guns. This is just a foot in the door deal. People don't kill people, guns kill people( ya right)! Just like drunks don't kill people, vehicles kill people. They can't take an Oldsmobile off the road but they sure want our guns. Guns kill people, pencils mis spell words. Cars drive drunk and spoons make people fat. Where does it end.

 

[243Mendoza]

Both sides need to do a little Fact Checking

https://www.salon.com/2013/01/11/stop_talking_about_hitler/

Interesting article implying that those who believe in the 2Amend are deluded and possibly harbor fascist or communist tendencies. How nice. Also note the source: Salon.com a leftist site.

For a counter-argument, see: http://www.stephenhalbrook.com/law_review_articles/nazism.nra.pdf

 

[Milo 2.0]

I assume you guys saw that it has surfaced that the Resource officer/Sheriff's deputy was armed and on the scene but did not go inside to stop the shooter? Once his actions, or lack thereof, surfaced he resigned/retired. That should take some of the wind out of their sails.

To me it takes the wind out of the proposal to have armed guards, why pay if no action.
This was a bad deal, I'm not going to judge based on what I read, not much respect going in though. Didn't a previous school shooting have a local PD on the scene in seconds and he was ordered not to go in alone?

 

[284winner]

Ohio was shotgun only for deer
We were very happy when they aloud us straight wall cartridges with a max of 3 shells in the gun for deer

Yes I know you were. I hunt Ohio with archery gear. After retirement plan on heading down for the gun season. The 450 bushmaster or 45 raptor sound real nice for that hunt. You just gave me some info I did not know. 3 rds of the straight wall cartridges. Guess I assumed 5 in a mag.

 

[Jesswil61]

seems everyone is keying in on the assault weapons ban more so than the ammunitions database, the assault weapons feature of the legislation is the smoke screen! It the ammunitions database we need to worry about, they will offer revision to the weapons ban and hold firm on the database. Once in place purchase restrictions and background checks to buy more than a couple of rounds of ammo will grow. They started after the ammo several years ago and they get your knee jerk response to holding onto your AR while they effectively neuter your AR with ammunition regulations. Need to look at the big picture here!

 

[rkittine]

The New York Safe Act had / has ammunitions provisions in it, but the State Police, that were to enforce it, has told the state they do not have the time or a system in place to do it, so it is on hold for the time being. It has hurt us in the state as when in force, it will not allow the shipment of ammunition from directly to a private individual in New York. With that part of the act on hold, many retailers will still not ship to us in New York, but a few will. I guess they are afraid the hold will come off while an order is in route or something.

For pistol ammunition sales, you need to be 21 and also show your pistol permit as in this state you can not own a pistol without a permit. All a buyer has to do is tell the store that he has a "xxxxx Rifle in say .44 magnum, .357, etc." and the buyer will be sold pistol ammunition without a permit.

Of course there are the restrictions on so called Assault Rifles, but they are not banned.

Bob

 

[kris bassett]

" The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
November 13, 1787
Thomas Jefferson

That's what they are asking for, if they realize it or not. They keep it up and they will get it.

Read a statistic that there are 300 police officers per 100,000 people. They just don't have the man power for a gun grab. That's if the police officers would even comply. I know some would but I also know a lot wouldn't!

 

[snert]

That's what they are asking for, if they realize it or not. They keep it up and they will get it.

Read a statistic that there are 300 police officers per 100,000 people. They just don't have the man power for a gun grab. That's if the police officers would even comply. I know some would but I also know a lot wouldn't!

On the bottom of every NYS standard domestic incident report is the question 'Guns in the house?" I worked in Upstate NY. farm country. rednecks. Countless times I used a large upright glass covered piece of furniture as a hard pad to fill out that form, saying "no". Unless a gun was part of the issue, figured it was not in the house. But that was just me. What I hate d most was seeing guys have their guns picked up via court order on a BS request of an order of protection the day before deer season. Ya, it was a regular thing that divorce attorneys planned. Usually hurried the proceedings right along too!!!

 

[jonbearman]

This appears to be blatant gun registration to confiscation. The NY Safe Act is as worse as their proposal. I hope and pray it fails Remember the power of prayer is real and if we get enough people praying it may make a big difference.

 

[T-shooter]

I hope this thread stays up...I have plenty to say about what happened here in Ct after Sandy Hook shooting...Mike from what used to be the Constitution St of Ct..

I would like to hear it. I don't know what happened there but I'm pretty sure it's not the main stream media's story. Too many things just don't add up. The same with 911. I'm not a conspiracy theorist but still 2+2 should equal 4!

 

[T-shooter]

I was driving back here to NOhio from New Hampshire the day the shooting happened, I was in New York when the radio broadcast I was listening to broke in with a special report about what had happened. The first reporting officer on the scene said that the shooting had stopped, and along with the dead students the dead body of the then alleged shooter was found with two (2) 9MM pistols along side his body. The officer then said that an AR15 was found in the locked vehicle that the shooter had driven to the scene of the shooting and was by all accounts un-fired. I have no reason to doubt the officers description of the events that transpired, and the weapons found there. As I understand it, the state of Connecticut is suing Bushmaster, is this correct, and for building a rifle that wasn't used in the commission of a crime, what the hell kind of a legal system do they have there?

I haven't heard that but it wouldn't fit the narrative that everyone always uses an "Assault Weapon".