30 cal wildcat

[cast1]

I want to build a 30 cal wildcat to shoot ELR. I will probably shoot the 195 Warner Tool pills. I have a 300 win mag, but want to try a wildcat. Considered a 30 Nosler but brass is murderously expensive. Same with the 30-28 Nosler. To be clear I will be doing my own chambering and will send dummy rounds for a reamer and dies.

Not interested in a norma or Lapua based cartridge for this build due to custom action requirement.

I have considered a 30-375 Ruger and have read a little about the 30 boo boo but don’t know much about it. My goal is to have a round that’s modestly above 300 win mag in case capacity that has good availability of not extremely expensive platform brass. I don’t mind neck turning but would avoid fire forming. I might do hydroforming if it provided a round of tremendous advantage for my goal.

Dave Tooley, you listening lol???

 

[Dirtball]

If you don't want to go to a Lapua bolt face, and want to stay with a standard magnum bolt face, but want more than your 300 Win Mag.
I would suggest two that are easy, 30 x 8mm Rem Mag, and if that is not enough just go 300 RUM.
The 30 Nosler is basiclly a shortened RUM with a little sharper shoulder.

Dave

 

[L.Sherm]

300 Jarrett.

 

[people]

If you don't want to go to a Lapua bolt face, and want to stay with a standard magnum bolt face, but want more than your 300 Win Mag.
I would suggest two that are easy, 30 x 8mm Rem Mag, and if that is not enough just go 300 RUM.
The 30 Nosler is basiclly a shortened RUM with a little sharper shoulder.

Dave

This is what I was going to say.

I could say try some kind of AI of the above.

 

[B23]

Not interested in a norma or Lapua based cartridge for this build due to custom action requirement.

You don't need a custom action to build a Lapua based 30 cal wildcat. I have a 300AX (30-338 Lapua Imp.) that was built on a Rem 700 long action. The bolt face was opened up and used a M16 style extractor. I shoot the 230 Bergers 3250fps out of a 28in tube. It'll shoot a lot faster but my 3250 load will consistently shoot tiny little groups and the brass lasts forever so I typically don't run it any harder than that.

 

[dogdude]

308 Baer?

 

[JBT47]

.300 Norma is excellent. It requires a .338 Lapua sized boltface though.

That said, I have had very good results with my .300 Win Mag using 215 and 230 Hybrids out to 2,000 yards.

 

[IdahoSharpshooter]

simple is best. 300 RUM offers factory brass, ammunition if you wish, factory dies. Oh, did I mention factory brass...?

KISS principle

 

[Kurz]

simple is best. 300 RUM offers factory brass, ammunition if you wish, factory dies. Oh, did I mention factory brass...?

Not to be a contrarian but the supply of 300 RUM brass from the Remington factory appears to be non-existent right now but I'm sure you will point out a source if possible. There is Bertram, Nosler and Norma but these will set the OP back over $2.00/each case.

8mm Remington Mag. is equally unavailable unless you want to buy it through Nosler, at least right now.

Warner makes a 198 grain in .30 caliber.

I'm not trying to be difficult but nearly everything in ELR is expensive because of the size and customization which gets applied to the components. You can try to get away with cheap but that will only take you so far before you run out of steam and performance.

Case and point. You can get a Defiance action set up for Lapua based cartridges for a reasonable price. I've build a couple of dozen and they are superb.

You can try to locate RUM brass from Remington but a quick check didn't reveal any that I could see. You could try to post a 'Want Ad' to see if some of the members have any to spare at a reasonable price. Otherwise it's Norma, Nosler or Bertram. The same goes for .338 RUM brass.

The .300 Win. Mag. has a case capacity of 93 grains approximately. How much bigger do you want to go? Personally, I'm running the .300 Norma Mag. with excellent results. I'm also running the .338 Norma Mag. but I'm working on the .338 Infidel and the .300 Infidel. Both are similar (this means kind of like, not exact) to the Rogue versions of the .338 Lapua Mag. brass. Both types are reduced case lengths with an improved case style. This gets you a shorter case with same capacity as the longer cases but you get to seat the bullets out further.

These are three that PTG lists:

.30-338 Lapua Rogue (37° Improved .30-338 Lapua)

.30-338 Remington Ultra

.300 Infidel (Shortened .338 Lapua Case)

If you need some more horsepower, the next step up, again, in my opinion, is the .30-378 Weatherby, which by the way is an excellent cartridge. I'm running a couple of versions using the .338-378 WBY case.

Enjoy the search!

 

[okie]

300 dakota?? do they make it??

 

[4xforfun]

300 WBY. I have won a pile of wood in 1000-yard BR over the years with the Plain Jane 300 Weatherby. Don't know why you need a wildcat.

 

[B23]

Not to be a contrarian but the supply of 300 RUM brass from the Remington factory appears to be non-existent right now but I'm sure you will point out a source if possible. There is Bertram, Nosler and Norma but these will set the OP back over $2.00/each case.

There is a new player in the brass making business called Atlas Development Group and they are making 300 RUM brass, among others. I know someone that has been using their 338 Lapua brass and he told me it's as good as Lapua, if not better. Like anything good, it probably isn't cheap but last I knew he was over 20 firings on the 338 stuff so it'll likely pay for itself in the long run.

 

[okie]

There is a new player in the brass making business called Atlas Development Group and they are making 300 RUM brass, among others. I know someone that has been using their 338 Lapua brass and he told me it's as good as Lapua, if not better. Like anything good, it probably isn't cheap but last I knew he was over 20 firings on the 338 stuff so it'll likely pay for itself in the long run.

thats good to know, thanks

 

[4xforfun]

RUM brass....how about the 338 EDGE brass made by Bertrom and sold by Defensive Edge....just neck down to 30 cal and shoot. AWESOME brass!!

 

[B23]

RUM brass....how about the 338 EDGE brass made by Bertrom and sold by Defensive Edge....just neck down to 30 cal and shoot. AWESOME brass!!

This new ADG brass company is making the full line of RUM brass including 338 Edge brass that is head stamped "338 Edge".

 

[BIGMAC]

300 ack.imp. Off of the 300 Wby. Case great 1000 yds. BR caliber.

 

[Kurz]

This new ADG brass company is making the full line of RUM brass including 338 Edge brass that is head stamped "338 Edge".

Nobody wants to post a link to ADG so I found it and here is their price list:

 

[IdahoSharpshooter]

Kurz,

not to repeat myself too often, but as I have said here before; in the scheme of things, brass is the cheapest component, and the only reusable one.
If you travel a piddly 100 miles, one way, to a shoot, you will have spent more than 100 RUM cases cost you. That is transportation (fuel), match fees, and meals. You will have spent more, on the primers, powder, and bullets than 100 RUM cases cost you. For ONE match!
Even if you shoot two 100 round matches every month, and practice another one hundred rounds, those 100 RUM cases will last you a year.

 

[mram10]

My 30stw(30-8mm) and rums are not hard to find brass for. R33 and 215s are very accurate out of the stw. The 225match and r33 shoot well out of the rums.

 

[Kurz]

not to repeat myself too often, but as I have said here before; in the scheme of things, brass is the cheapest component, and the only reusable one.

Considered a 30 Nosler but brass is murderously expensive. Same with the 30-28 Nosler.

I am well aware of the cost of brass and every other component used for shooting. I am also well aware of the cost savings applied to the reusable facet of brass and figure that into my needs when I replenish my supplies. I was not chiding you or anyone else over the cost but simply pointing out the fact that the OP had made the statement above regarding cost. This is the only reason I even mentioned cost. I've been reloading for a long time, I'm not a novice by any means so when it comes to buying components, I spend time looking at cost versus expected life of brass cases. That's why I buy some RWS and Horneber brass instead of Norma or Lapua.

Currently, I'm testing Peterson brass in three flavors and I'll be ordering some of the ADG brass, now that I know about them, for similar tests when I get back.

Regards.