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sorting bullets

I measured (1000) 139laps, and (500) 105VLDs,, once (~10yrs ago).
It took a lot of work, one-off specialized jigs, every tool we have today, and custom software. Matching BC took additional efforts.
Given results, I decided not to do it again -until laser scanning technology meets needed resolution, flexibility, and cost.
The benefit in that effort was not so much ballistic gain, but in the learning about it.
I'm declaring now, this is still an abstract, due to lacking technology, and we're better off not pissing with it yet.

Out of what I measured there were only ~20 with attributes so bad as to cause flyers at distance(mathematically). That is, after meplat trimming and/or pointing. But then combine SD from the load, and system inconsistencies, and it makes sense that folks would report no observed difference from unsorted bullets -in lot. At the same time, it makes sense that those investing so much effort would be convinced of differences. That's a human thing..
If I were a 1Kyd BR shooter, I would not want to go to the line with any of those 20 offenders. I would set up a station, no matter the cost, to find them efficiently. After all, my time is expensive(to me).

Back to what I measured. I could have culled bullets on any of various parameters, BT angle, end diameter, BT length, bearing diameter and length, ogive radius, nose length, meplat diameter, OAL, weight, jacket thickness variance, core height. But in that, if separating by single attributes, I would have removed many bullets actually matching the BC mean in lot, and potentially kept some of the bad guys...
Don't do that.

I had set up a spreadsheet to enter parameters and run a macro to calculate BC of each. Only then could I see what I had, and it was nothing to lose sleep over. Shorter base, longer bearing, shorter nose, .xxx meplat, .yyy weight, zz.zcals ogive radius, botta bing -> ~matching BC, or I could match with a touch of pointing or trimming.
Each thing contributes toward the end, which is BC (or overall drag). For matching here you need to take all into account before separating.
A lot of folks are separating with groups of parameters, like 'base to ogive' while never calculating end results, and missing the biggest single affect in variance(meplats). Perhaps a coincidence that meplats are not easy to measure.. I see folks trimming meplats from all the way back at the base. This is not producing same meplat diameters, but causing same OAL.. Some trim from ogives, but they had failed to qualifiy their ogive datums first, again not meeting the very goal of trimming. Some weigh only, the grand daddy of shortcuts to no where.. Then bearing length! Who cares about bearing length in itself? I don't, it means nothing in particular.

To sum it up, wait a while on this. Focus on bigger fish. Someday bullet makers will use technology to match all bullets in select lots, and sell them to us at a little higher cost. If I were a bullet maker this is what I would do.
 
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Out of what I measured there were only ~20 with attributes so bad as to cause flyers at distance(mathematically). That is, after meplat trimming and/or pointing. ............ snip.......
Here's something to ponder.

I also trim and point certain of my bullets, but whenever I think about trimming/pointing I ask myself if I'm making things better or worse.

Not long ago I had a batch of Berger VLD's with particularly ugly meplats. I'm convinced, even though I didn't actually try to prove it, that trimming, chamfering, and pointing those bullets improved performance. Anyone could eyeball the before and after bullets and notice an improvement in the meplat shape.

But some bullets I use, notably the Nosler RDF's, have very good looking meplats; small too. I'm pretty sure if I trimmed and pointed them, I would either make no improvement or make things worse.

Is this something to which you've given any thought?
 
I had a box of Hornady Match 168g BTHP bullets that were damaged in production. I kept them figuring I could just use them for foulers. I discovered these were some of the best I ever got.
 
I had a box of Hornady Match 168g BTHP bullets a few years ago that were damaged in production. I kept them figuring I could just use them for foulers. I discovered these were some of the best I ever got.
(Accidentally uploaded this before I was ready) Every one of the bullets had a groove in the boat tail and were .010" shorter overall than the last lot. I always heard this would cause them to fly differently.
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This was while I was still using a beam scale and cheap Lee dies. I was getting consistent 10 shot groups at 3/4" or less at 100 yards.
 
It reminded me of sorting cases for length, I had no ideal reloader purchased tools for that purpose. years ago I made a tool that I could use to sort cases by length in thousandths in seconds. To make a bullet shorter would mean the tool had to be shorter as is raise the bottom or lower the top. I have never complained about the wasted time because I have not spent a lot of time measuring.

F. Guffey
 
It reminded me of sorting cases for length, I had no ideal reloader purchased tools for that purpose. years ago I made a tool that I could use to sort cases by length in thousandths in seconds. To make a bullet shorter would mean the tool had to be shorter as is raise the bottom or lower the top. I have never complained about the wasted time because I have not spent a lot of time measuring.

F. Guffey
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