rumors of scope failures at F-Class Worlds

[Eric Leonard]

anyone that was there that can confirm or deny this as I was considering selling a couple Leupold 40x scopes and buying the Vortex??

story at this link

https://forum.snipershide.com/forum...opes/6594531-scope-failures-at-f-class-worlds

 

[Eric Leonard]

But who cares right? You can send it in and get it fixed no problem!!

This is why i dont own a vortex. Diamond plated junk. Ive looked through them, messed with them, dont trust em. Gut feeling ive always had. Something rubs me wrong any time a pruduct comes out and a band wagon forms, its suspicious. And when you know they are making them cheap and selling for a big profit. Theres over 50-60% profit in each sale.

were you there and confirming this happened ??

 

[Jay Christopherson]

were you there and confirming this happened ??

I was there. With a Golden Eagle (no failures). I did not hear anyone complaining about a scope failure. Just wind flags that didn't indicate until at least 2 minutes of wind were on the range. There were some pretty crazy switches though, I can understand how someone might have thought something was wrong, but like I said, I never heard any rumors going around during the match.

 

[Jay Christopherson]

No sir, not confirming anything. Just playing devils advocate on the first part, then saying I would be suprised. Heard about too many being sent back in to be fixed..

Golden Eagles? Do tell. I'd be interested if you have any verifiable information. I have not heard of any so far, across the two dozen or so matches that I have shot around the US and FCWC. Doesn't mean it hasn't happened, but you'd think there would be some solid information out there if the numbers were as high as you are intimating...

 

[Jay Christopherson]

No not golden eagles. Other models. But vortex is vortex, so i lean away from em.. pm inbound

Ah, OK. The way I was reading your posts, I thought you were specifically talking about Golden Eagles, since that would have been (most likely) the only Vortex scope at FCWC and that's what the OP was referring to.

 

[onelastshot]

But who cares right? You can send it in and get it fixed no problem!!

This is why i dont own a vortex. Diamond plated junk. Ive looked through them, messed with them, dont trust em. Gut feeling ive always had. Something rubs me wrong any time a pruduct comes out and a band wagon forms, its suspicious. And when you know they are making them cheap and selling for a big profit. Theres over 50-60% profit in each sale.

I've got little respect for someone who throws out allegations without any concrete evidence to substantiate what they are saying; claiming a company is making 50-60% profit of off every scope they sell is but another example of this. You've got absolutely no Idea what Vortexes fixed costs are and no idea what their profit margins are. Pathetic baseless accusations.

 

[Eric Leonard]

I figured that 4 scopes from any one brand going down in the same match was BS,,

 

[Medic505]

But who cares right? You can send it in and get it fixed no problem!

This is why i dont own a vortex. Diamond plated junk. Ive looked through them, messed with them, dont trust em. Gut feeling ive always had. Something rubs me wrong any time a pruduct comes out and a band wagon forms, its suspicious. And when you know they are making them cheap and selling for a big profit. Theres over 50-60% profit in each sale.[/Q I own several Vortex products and have found them to be top notch

No sir, not confirming anything. Just playing devils advocate on the first part, then saying I would be suprised. Heard about too many being sent back in to be fixed..

So, you weren't there, can't confirm anything, but you heard. Doesn't sound like admissible evidence.

 

[Raythemanroe]

I heard Everyone had trouble with their scope except some Davies guy..

Ray

 

[Shynloco]

I'm not here to defend anyone or trash any equipment. But what makes anyone believe that scopes don't occasionally fail (regardless of make) during various shooting events? Equipment does sometimes find inopportune times to go south. Doesn't mean they can't be fixed for the next round. I doubt people would be buying scopes that have a track for failure, yet people buy Vortex's all the time. Some like 'em, some don't. Each to his own I guess.

Alex

 

[Ned Ludd]

From the post the OP linked at Sniper's Hide: "Read on another forum and confirmed by second source that there were 3 ( maybe 4 ) of the Vortex Golden Eagle scopes that failed at the F-Class Worlds this month in Canada. Also one older NF and one age unknown March."

So...read on another forum and "confirmed by a second (but unnamed) source". That could just as easily be translated as, "I made it up". Further, according to the DRCA Competitor list, there were 384 entries for FCWC and 330 for the Canadian FCNC. That translates to approximately a 1.5% failure rate. Or from the other perspective, at least 98.5% positive functionality rate.

Given what anyone that's ever participated in a FCNC or FCWC Match knows a scope can go through at a big national match (travel to and from the match, daily use, and getting dragged to a new firing point every time it's used), I'm actually surprised the failure rate wasn't significantly higher, even if only from "accidental damage" types of issues (as opposed to design flaws or quality control issues).

I completely understand that when hearing something like that about a scope that you intend to purchase, you would want to inquire further and determine whether the the rumor has any substance to it, which is what the OP is doing. But bashing a reputable scope manufacturer as occurred later in this thread is a road you just really shouldn't go down without definitive proof. Unsupported rumor, innuendo, speculation, and opinion are a poor tactic when a company's good reputation is on the line.

 

[500Stroker]

That many scope failures at one match sounds like a bunch of BS. I have shot a fair amount of matches over the last several years and I can honestly say that I have seen or heard of very few scope failures. Perhaps it would be best to hear from the shooter's that actually suffered these failures before anyone draws any conclusions.

 

[skiutah02]

This is the first I've heard of it.

 

[dickn52]

I have 3 Vortex scopes and getting ready to buy the fourth. Known these people for a lot of years now and they make a pretty darn good product. Not to mention the best warranty in the business when or it they go south.

 

[Liven The Dream]

I am at a Match this Weekend with a shooter from the Savage Team .
I will try to pull out some info .
Will post tomorrow.
Don

 

[Mozella]

Until now, I didn't know CNN had an account at accurateshooter.com.

 

[swadiver]

I was also there with a Golden Eagle. no problems at all with mine. I never talked to anyone with a scope failure. the wind was very difficult to deal with on a regular basis. if you shot down at the far right side (target numbers in the high 60's and 70's) , it was even worse.

 

[David247]

I would be interested to hear the what really happened. I am having a rig built now and back in April when I ordered it, I was advised to steer clear due to rumors of failures. Its a shame because I have one on a hunting rifle that I just love and never had any issues with. I did a lot of reading and it seems that a lot of people love theirs too. I guess time will tell.

 

[Macropod]

Until now, I didn't know CNN had an account at accurateshooter.com.

CNN. Purveyors of fake news.... We have similar in Australia.

 

[DMascari]

A rumor is a rumor is a rumor.