Just bought Bushnell, don't know what their selling

[fm1947]

I just bought a 4.5x 18x40, AR223 , BDC, First I go to a local gun store, I asked is this reticle in MILS or MOA it doesn't say on the box or advertisement, he said no it's just for the 223, I said there must be a certain amount of distance between each dot, he said no there isn't, I said that's not possible and left, so when It came I still wanted to know the distance on each dot, I called Bushnell he said the same thing it's just for the 223, so I said to myself, self, let's try to range with it and that will tell me something.

Formula: =SUM(A2/36*1000/A4)

(Height of Target in Yards x 1,000) ÷ Height of Target in Mils = Range of the Target in Yards


From my patio table to fence post in the yard is 65 yards, I've measured it, give or take a couple due to tape measure moving around, I use this on other MIl and MOA scopes, the part I was measuring is 7 inches long and it took up 3 mil that equals 64.81 yards I know now it's in Mils, I also checked it with another scope I just bought and haven't' mounted it yet it is a Vortex 6x24x50 XLR FFP, it measured 10 MOA, but it was really hard keeping it still just holding it in my hands, but even at 10 MOA that equals 66.8 yards.

I just found it nut's that no one knows what they're selling, that wouldn't happen if you cal Vortex , Leopold or Nightforce

Long time ago I made a spreadsheet with all the formula's for calculating Mil or MOA, it comes in handy.

 

[fm1947]

You're probably right about that, but the guy at Bushnell should know what products they handle and something about them, if you call Vortex, Leupold or Nightforce, there isn't anything they don't know about their products.

 

[Zero333]

BDC is not mils nor moa. it's BDC, bullet drop compensation.

Usually a 223 bdc reticle will be for 55gr bullets, but could be for 62 grainers as well since it's an AR optic. At max magnification (18x in your scope), the first dash is for 200yards, second dash is 300 yards and so on.

You still have to verify with your load. It's not hard.
At 18x at 100 yards with a 100 yard zero, shoot a group of 3 or 5 shots holding over each hash. Measure from aim point to center of group to know how many moa the hash equals to. You might want a tall target to do this.

 

[fm1947]

BDC is not mils nor moa. it's BDC, bullet drop compensation.

Usually a 223 bdc reticle will be for 55gr bullets, but could be for 62 grainers as well since it's an AR optic. At max magnification (18x in your scope), the first dash is for 200yards, second dash is 300 yards and so on.

You still have to verify with your load. It's not hard.
At 18x at 100 yards with a 100 yard zero, shoot a group of 3 or 5 shots holding over each hash. Measure from aim point to center of group to know how many moa the hash equals to. You might want a tall target to do this.

I can guarantee you the first three dots are 3.6 inches=1 mil

 

[Ledd Slinger]

Crap made in China and sold by Bushnell for max profit. They probably don't know the details, nor do they care. Sad.

At least Vortex and Leupold pay attention to what China is building for them

 

[fm1947]

I bought it cheap for my 14 inch AR15 and it's works okay for what I want to do with it, it's cheap for sure, I have two leupold competition 45x, and two T-36 weavers that are a good scope. and one 6x24x56 Vortex xlr FFP those are all good scoped.

 

[JRS]

You purchased a scope with the BDC reticle for the 223, as is stated on the box. Don't blame the dealer/manufacturer for your mistake. They know what they are selling, and gave you an honest answer to your questions. You didn't buy the scope you wanted.

 

[Jdne5b]

You just need to find someone who knows what theyre doing.

Is this your scope?

 

[JRS]

You just need to find someone who knows what theyre doing.

Is this your scope?

The OP purchased the BDC reticle, as he has stated. If he wanted MIL or MOA, he should have asked for, and purchased that, and the dealer would have accommodated him. When we make mistakes, we own those mistakes. Don't dump on others for your mistakes.

 

[Jdne5b]

The OP purchased the BDC reticle, as he has stated. If he wanted MIL or MOA, he should have asked for, and purchased that, and the dealer would have accommodated him. When we make mistakes, we own those mistakes. Don't dump on others for your mistakes.

And I mostly agree with you, but Bushnell has subtensions on ALL their scopes. Just have to find someone to ask for them.

 

[JRS]

And I mostly agree with you, but Bushnell has subtensions on ALL their scopes. Just have to find someone to ask for them.

Bushnell does not know the bullet weight you are using, nor the velocity at which you are shooting it. That is to be determined by the buyer of the scope.

 

[Jdne5b]

Bushnell does not know the bullet weight you are using, nor the velocity at which you are shooting it. That is to be determined by the buyer of the scope.

Did I said they did?

 

[XTR]

The Bushnell manual has nothing particularly useful
http://bushnell.com/getmedia/d07e34...copes_allSKUs_5LIM_rev031815_web.pdf?ext=.pdf

If you want to go down another rabbit hole go look for them on a Leopold. They are just as bad. They are selling 90% of their scopes to people who think mil stands for military. They work great for them.

 

[JRS]

The Bushnell manual has nothing particularly useful
http://bushnell.com/getmedia/d07e34...copes_allSKUs_5LIM_rev031815_web.pdf?ext=.pdf

If you want to go down another rabbit hole go look for them on a Leopold. They are just as bad. They are selling 90% of their scopes to people who think mil stands for military. They work great for them.

If you want a custom BDC reticle designed for a particular bullet and velocity, Leupold, along with others can supply it…. for an additional cost. Otherwise, you receive the standard one size fits all. Custom= money.

 

[Ledd Slinger]

The Bushnell manual has nothing particularly useful
http://bushnell.com/getmedia/d07e34...copes_allSKUs_5LIM_rev031815_web.pdf?ext=.pdf

If you want to go down another rabbit hole go look for them on a Leopold. They are just as bad. They are selling 90% of their scopes to people who think mil stands for military. They work great for them.

Mil-itary reticles and turrets are awesome. Lol

 

[fm1947]

The OP purchased the BDC reticle, as he has stated. If he wanted MIL or MOA, he should have asked for, and purchased that, and the dealer would have accommodated him. When we make mistakes, we own those mistakes. Don't dump on others for your mistakes.

i KNEW WHAT i BOUGHT, BUT i ALSO NEW there had to be a specific distance and I found it to be in mils by ranging a distance I knew to be true, PERIOD end of the story, no mistake at all, but they should know what the distance is between each hash mark , Bushnell should know they made it.

 

[JRS]

Mil-itary reticles and turrets are awesome. Lol

There is nothing wrong with linking MIL to the military. It happened in the military starting with artillery

 

[Ledd Slinger]

i KNEW WHAT i BOUGHT, BUT i ALSO NEW there had to be a specific distance and I found it to be in mils by ranging a distance I knew to be true, PERIOD end of the story, no mistake at all, but they should know what the distance is between each hash mark , Bushnell should know they made it.

Nobody is attacking you. But if you know it's a mil reticle, then whats the point in asking Bushnell? "PERIOD, end of the story, no mistake at all"

 

[fm1947]

If you want a custom BDC reticle designed for a particular bullet and velocity, Leupold, along with others can supply it…. for an additional cost. Otherwise, you receive the standard one size fits all. Custom= money.

I think they do that as a sales pitch to attract AR people who don't mess with mil or moa so they tell them it will be on at x amount of yards, calling it AR223 BDC, when in fact it's in mils, second I would be willing to bet the one they call AR308 is in mils also.

 

[JRS]

BDC reticles offer a generalization of bullet trajectory and can only estimate bullet drop in specific circumstances. Manufactures can't measure generalization.