22Nosler in a Bolt Gun?

[Bully]

I have a stock barreled Remington 700 in .223Rem. I like the gun a lot but am always looking for ways to hot rod stuff.

I have a new stock on the way that is inletted for M5 bottom metal. For now I'm going to keep it the way it is however next winter I'm looking to re-barrel to something a bit faster. I'm really thinking the 22Nosler. It would (from what I understand) allow me to keep the same bolt face and run the heavier bullets a bit faster.

"IF" you were gonna do something similar, what would you barrel it in?

Does anyone know what mags that round will feed from?

Should I consider the bottom metal from PT&G that works with AR magazines? Does anyone know what pattern inlet that bottom metal uses? M5, BDL, or something else? I called PT&G and to say that the person on the other end of the line wasn't knowledgeable would be doing them a kindness.

Thanks for the help.

 

[5spd]

The 22 nosler requires a 6.8 spc magazine.
Yes it has the .223 bolt face (.384").
Id have it no shorter than 22" and 26" as max length.
I am looking to build one on a Savage action.
For my use the 22 nosler would have to be in a 1/12" tw. as I don't run heavy 22 cal bullets for varmints or coyote.
Cant help you on the other parts for your 700.

 

[RonS]

5spd, what velocity do you think you will achieve with a 12T and what powders are you going to start with? I've been thinking of rebarreling my Model 7 (7-08) to the 22 Nosler and making it a Remage setup. Just need to find a factory wood stock or one that will accept a 1" barrel

 

[5spd]

I would hope to be looking at 3600+ with a 50g/55g bullets which is pretty much what weight I stick to on p-dogs.
I have a 1/14" tw midwayusa bbl that just slams the 55/55s into tight groups, but I am not only at 3300 fps max w/both bullets.
Just want to give the 22N a try since I'm always looking to do another build that really works!
Now whether I get to it will be another story, still on the fence over it.
On the Predator Masters site many AR15 22 nosler guys are not to overall happy with its performance in 1/8"tw & 18" length.
I would start off with H335, Varmint pro, 10x since those are doing super in my .223/6x45/6x6.8 & the 22N case fits right in that size group.
Like the 6x6.8 when starting off, no data then, just had to make my own & work up from there.

 

[RonS]

I've been thinking about a 9T for the 22Nos, I'd like to try some of those Barnes 50gr VG's...

I have not been able to get to the range to test my 12T 6x6.8 SPC, I can't decide which action I want to put it on, I might need to buy just one more Savage 10 action. I was thinking H335, H322 or IMR/H4198 powders for 65gr to 75gr bullets...

 

[ASbobcat]

I have a stock barreled Remington 700 in .223Rem. I like the gun a lot but am always looking for ways to hot rod stuff.

I have a new stock on the way that is inletted for M5 bottom metal. For now I'm going to keep it the way it is however next winter I'm looking to re-barrel to something a bit faster. I'm really thinking the 22Nosler. It would (from what I understand) allow me to keep the same bolt face and run the heavier bullets a bit faster.

"IF" you were gonna do something similar, what would you barrel it in?

Does anyone know what mags that round will feed from?

Should I consider the bottom metal from PT&G that works with AR magazines? Does anyone know what pattern inlet that bottom metal uses? M5, BDL, or something else? I called PT&G and to say that the person on the other end of the line wasn't knowledgeable would be doing them a kindness.

Thanks for the help.

The 22Nosler, like the 6.5 Grendel, was designed SPECIFICALLY for the AR platform.
More case capacity and proven Lapua brass are available in 22BR for bolt guns. The 22BR cartridge has been around for a long time, and it feeds from a 308 mag if you're looking at a repeater.

 

[Bully]

The 22Nosler, like the 6.5 Grendel, was designed SPECIFICALLY for the AR platform.
More case capacity and proven Lapua brass are available in 22BR for bolt guns. The 22BR cartridge has been around for a long time, and it feeds from a 308 mag if you're looking at a repeater.

Yes but the 22N will send the bigger bullets downrange at a pretty good clip. The 22BR looks like it's mostly designed for the lighter bullets. If I'm wrong I'm happy to be corrected.

 

[ASbobcat]

Yes but the 22N will send the bigger bullets downrange at a pretty good clip. The 22BR looks like it's mostly designed for the lighter bullets. If I'm wrong I'm happy to be corrected.

Depends on your twist rate. Check out the 22BR page on this website.
3050fps is published for 90gr (SMK BC=.563) and I know from experience that RL17 will surpass that with ease.
In fact, my next build is going to be a 7 twist 22BR for this very load to replace my 6BR when that barrel is toast. The .224 90gr Sierra and Bergers will shoot flatter than a BR, with the same drift as a 6mm 105's and less recoil.
In addition, excellent quality, proven Lapua BR brass has been around for a long time. There is as yet not a single field report on the quality of the 22Nosler brass.

 

[moorepower]

I am all for something different, because you want to try it, but "to me" it only makes sense in an AR. For VARMINT shooting, if you want/ need more in a bolt gun, with the Lapua brass available now, the .22-250 has more capability than a 22BR, and could be loaded down to the velocity you are looking for, or send a 53 Vmax at 3900fps if desired. i know a 22BR has more potential on paper, but on varmints, unless you are shooting at eyeballs, they will not care how dead they are. If you want to have one just cause it's there, I would go for it, ".22 Nosler", if you want a hotter round that will feed in any rifle, ....... FYI, I am not a .22-250 fanboy, and of all things I have an "ALF" spec .22-.204 reamer in my toolbox getting ready to try out, so I like oddball. And yes i know , it is almost the same as a .222M AI, except much cheaper/ better brass available.

 

[Bully]

Depends on your twist rate. Check out the 22BR page on this website.
3050fps is published for 90gr (SMK BC=.563) and I know from experience that RL17 will surpass that with ease.
In fact, my next build is going to be a 7 twist 22BR for this very load to replace my 6BR when that barrel is toast. The .224 90gr Sierra and Bergers will shoot flatter than a BR, with the same drift as a 6mm 105's and less recoil.
In addition, excellent quality, proven Lapua BR brass has been around for a long time. There is as yet not a single field report on the quality of the 22Nosler brass.

What is the bolt face on the 22BR?

I have a .223 rifle and am not looking to replace the bolt.

 

[ASbobcat]

What is the bolt face on the 22BR?

I have a .223 rifle and am not looking to replace the bolt.

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If you have a Savage it's easy to replace the bolt head with a better quality one than factory.
If you have anything else, you might look at the 223AI.

 

[Bully]

I have a stock barreled Remington 700 in .223Rem. I like the gun a lot but am always looking for ways to hot rod stuff.

This one isn't a savage.

 

[JAnderson94]

I personally wouldn't mess with the 22 nosler in a bolt gun. 223 and 22-250 brass will be easier to find and most likely cheaper as well. I just got a 223 Ackley shooting a few weeks ago, running 52 bergers at 3650fps, so by the sounds of it I'm getting the same performance as the 22 nosler. Brass can be found anywhere, possibly burning less powder as well? and easy enough to find load data for.

 

[rockrat]

Just waiting on a reamer. Going to rechamber a Savage 26" 9" twist barrel and use it with a single shot action

 

[Bully]

Just waiting on a reamer. Going to rechamber a Savage 26" 9" twist barrel and use it with a single shot action

Look forward to hearing about it.

 

[ASbobcat]

I personally wouldn't mess with the 22 nosler in a bolt gun. 223 and 22-250 brass will be easier to find and most likely cheaper as well. I just got a 223 Ackley shooting a few weeks ago, running 52 bergers at 3650fps, so by the sounds of it I'm getting the same performance as the 22 nosler. Brass can be found anywhere, possibly burning less powder as well? and easy enough to find load data for.

Agreed.

223AI made from cheap/free LC brass is probably going to be very close in performance to the $1/ea 22Nosler.

 

[gopherslayer]

I have a stock barreled Remington 700 in .223Rem. I like the gun a lot but am always looking for ways to hot rod stuff.

I have a new stock on the way that is inletted for M5 bottom metal. For now I'm going to keep it the way it is however next winter I'm looking to re-barrel to something a bit faster. I'm really thinking the 22Nosler. It would (from what I understand) allow me to keep the same bolt face and run the heavier bullets a bit faster.

"IF" you were gonna do something similar, what would you barrel it in?

Does anyone know what mags that round will feed from?

Should I consider the bottom metal from PT&G that works with AR magazines? Does anyone know what pattern inlet that bottom metal uses? M5, BDL, or something else? I called PT&G and to say that the person on the other end of the line wasn't knowledgeable would be doing them a kindness.

Thanks for the help.

No AR mags. You have to modify the bolt face to feed from it.

I'm not too impressed with the 22 Nosler on paper yet. I would go with the 22/6.8 or 22/Grendel equivalent if you wanted something different. Simple way would be 22BR. The only thing a 22Nosler has going for it is the 223 boltface. I'd let it play out for a while before committing to it, good weather is coming and guys will be out doing alot more load development.

 

[jfseaman]

No AR mags. You have to modify the bolt face to feed from it.

I'm not too impressed with the 22 Nosler on paper yet. I would go with the 22/6.8 or 22/Grendel equivalent if you wanted something different. Simple way would be 22BR. The only thing a 22Nosler has going for it is the 223 boltface. I'd let it play out for a while before committing to it, good weather is coming and guys will be out doing alot more load development.

I'm going slow on any 22-Nosler concepts.

It has one advantage, .378 bolt face.

The disadvantage list is long:
Rebated rim in semi autos are finicky
One brass maker
Can not rechamber a 223

There are more.

On the other hand, it looks like a nice little package for 20 to 6.5

The disadvantage of SPC/Grendel/7.62x39 based cases is that rim size. For Semi Autos this is not so much a problem as the bolt can be changed to match the rim. For bolt action, this is an annoyance as the bolt face is not so easy to change to these odd sizes.

Of course there is a way to make a rim turner and make all these have a .378 rim.

With CZ 527 coming in 7.62x39 and 6.5 Grendel this year it supports those chamberings with multiple brass and ammo sources.

I wish manufacturers had maintained the 5.7x28 for bolt action.

 

[Bully]

No AR mags. You have to modify the bolt face to feed from it.

I'm not too impressed with the 22 Nosler on paper yet. I would go with the 22/6.8 or 22/Grendel equivalent if you wanted something different. Simple way would be 22BR. The only thing a 22Nosler has going for it is the 223 boltface. I'd let it play out for a while before committing to it, good weather is coming and guys will be out doing alot more load development.

The other calibers you mentioned have the wrong bolt face. This will be in a bolt gun, so the AR mag issue is moot as I'll be running AI mags. I don't want to open the bolt face.

 

[Bully]

I'm going slow on any 22-Nosler concepts.

It has one advantage, .378 bolt face.
...
Of course there is a way to make a rim turner and make all these have a .378 rim.

Care to share that "Rim turner" idea?