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I may finally be getting somewhere

I broke down and bought 100 Lapua Palma .308 cases and a couple C of the Sierra Palma 155s and tested 25 rounds (5 loads) ranging from 44 to 47.5* gns of Varget in my Mod 70. The results may not impress many here but for me it was the first time I think I've cut so many 1" or smaller ragged holes at 100 yds.

The setup is a post-64 .308 target model 70 with a factory barrel with maybe 1000 rounds through it on a bipod and sandbag and 6.5-20x scope. Factory trigger at 2.5 lbs. The cases were virgin and only trimmed, chamfered and primer pocket reamed. Fed 205M primers. Charges were 44, 45, 46, 47 & 47.5* gns of Varget. I fired through a CED M2 chronograph, round robin, firing the first load, then second, third, etc. coming back to the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc until all 25 rounds were fired. After each five rounds I rested a bit to let the barrel cool and reduce any eye strain. Note that to give the same ogive length as my normal 168 gn loads (2.323"), these rounds were only seated 0.057" into the case neck.

The stats were:
44 gn: Avg = 2495 fps, ES 75 fps, SD 29.8
45 gn: Avg = 2579 fps, ES 59 fps, SD 21.6
46 gn: Avg = 2661 fps, ES 45 fps, SD 16.1
47 gn: Avg = 2711 fps, ES 22 fps, SD 9.2
47.5 gn: Avg = 2725 fps, ES 46 fps, SD 17.1

*47.5 gns is the max charge on the Hodgdon website.

I definitely experienced issues with my pulse and hold during the test and my notes indicate that I felt that I threw one shot on target 3 and one on target 4. Next time I'm going to have to use a better target backer. The many layers of staples on the club's target board held the target a bit off the board making the holes more ragged than necessary. At least this time everything worked: no issues with the chronograph, didn't forget anything, etc.

I think that my next upgrade may be a better trigger. It appears that I may be reaching the limit of what can be expected with this gun.

Observations? Suggestions? Criticisms (preferably constructive)? Keep in mind I'm working on a budget, trying to make the most of what I already own. I'm trying to decide between 47 gns and 47.5 gns for the F-Class match on Saturday.

The targets are: center=44 gn, UL=45 gn, UR=46 gn, LR=47 gn, LL=47.5 gn
Target.jpg
 
Not bad for a factory barrel. You seem to be doing fine. Should be good to 800 yds. or so, the short (I assume 24") barrel will limit your ability to stay supersonic to 1000. The Palma formula includes a 30" or longer barrel but you'll get there when you get there. 175s or heavier will work to 1000 with what you have. Assuming a 10" twist barrel on you gun, I would measure it with a tight fitting patch and cleaning rod to verify.
Last time I looked the max load for .308 with Varget and 155s was 47.0 but every lot is different. Personally I use 46.5 gr. and get right around 3000 with a 32" barrel.
You did not mention what seating depth you used, the Sierra Palma 155s like to be jumped around .035". Your groups are pretty good, check your jump and experiment.
Go shoot a match! You will shorten the learning curve quickly with help and advise from your fellow shooters.
 
Should have mentioned it's a MR F-Class (600 yds). I only ran the ballistics out to 600. This barrel is actually 26". The seating depth should just be touching the lands. I have not had an opportunity to experiment with various seating depths with the 155s but I'll be happy to seat them 0.035" deeper in the neck. With only 0.057" holding onto the case I'm concerned the bullets might just pull off in handling.
 
Inna heartbeat I'd give up 14fps for halving my ES. At 600 yds I'd think that is the greater good.
Another vote for the 47.0.
 
Inna heartbeat I'd give up 14fps for halving my ES. At 600 yds I'd think that is the greater good.
Another vote for the 47.0.
One thing to note is that, looking at the raw data, most of the ES at 47.5 gn was due to a single round. That's one of the problems with small sample sets.
2731.0, 2724.0, 2697.0, 2730.0, 2743.0
Throw out that one shot and the ES is 19 fps.
 
One thing to note is that, looking at the raw data, most of the ES at 47.5 gn was due to a single round. That's one of the problems with small sample sets.
2731.0, 2724.0, 2697.0, 2730.0, 2743.0
Throw out that one shot and the ES is 19 fps.
I see your point. Logical and embarrassingly obvious.
 
I see your point. Logical and embarrassingly obvious.
Yeah. I'm not going to claim that I've got the feel of seating the small primers in the Palma brass down pat or that I might not have spilled some powder or that there wasn't some stray glint of light that threw the chronograph off. This is my first go at loading this particular brass. I've got Saturday's rounds loaded with 47.0 gn. In the next few weeks I'll be running some additional tests with this brass to see how it works with different primers (e.g. Rem, RWS, Win) and powders.
 
I broke down and bought 100 Lapua Palma .308 cases and a couple C of the Sierra Palma 155s and tested 25 rounds (5 loads) ranging from 44 to 47.5* gns of Varget in my Mod 70. The results may not impress many here but for me it was the first time I think I've cut so many 1" or smaller ragged holes at 100 yds.

The setup is a post-64 .308 target model 70 with a factory barrel with maybe 1000 rounds through it on a bipod and sandbag and 6.5-20x scope. Factory trigger at 2.5 lbs. The cases were virgin and only trimmed, chamfered and primer pocket reamed. Fed 205M primers. Charges were 44, 45, 46, 47 & 47.5* gns of Varget. I fired through a CED M2 chronograph, round robin, firing the first load, then second, third, etc. coming back to the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc until all 25 rounds were fired. After each five rounds I rested a bit to let the barrel cool and reduce any eye strain. Note that to give the same ogive length as my normal 168 gn loads (2.323"), these rounds were only seated 0.057" into the case neck.

The stats were:
44 gn: Avg = 2495 fps, ES 75 fps, SD 29.8
45 gn: Avg = 2579 fps, ES 59 fps, SD 21.6
46 gn: Avg = 2661 fps, ES 45 fps, SD 16.1
47 gn: Avg = 2711 fps, ES 22 fps, SD 9.2
47.5 gn: Avg = 2725 fps, ES 46 fps, SD 17.1

*47.5 gns is the max charge on the Hodgdon website.

I definitely experienced issues with my pulse and hold during the test and my notes indicate that I felt that I threw one shot on target 3 and one on target 4. Next time I'm going to have to use a better target backer. The many layers of staples on the club's target board held the target a bit off the board making the holes more ragged than necessary. At least this time everything worked: no issues with the chronograph, didn't forget anything, etc.

I think that my next upgrade may be a better trigger. It appears that I may be reaching the limit of what can be expected with this gun.

Observations? Suggestions? Criticisms (preferably constructive)? Keep in mind I'm working on a budget, trying to make the most of what I already own. I'm trying to decide between 47 gns and 47.5 gns for the F-Class match on Saturday.

The targets are: center=44 gn, UL=45 gn, UR=46 gn, LR=47 gn, LL=47.5 gn
Target.jpg
You might learn how to adjust the trigger yourself. You will be surprised just how light you can make it. Just do in it in increments so that you don't make it unsafe. You tube has several vids to show and explain.
 
You might learn how to adjust the trigger yourself. You will be surprised just how light you can make it. Just do in it in increments so that you don't make it unsafe. You tube has several vids to show and explain.
I took it down from about 6.5 lbs out of the box to about 2.5 lbs. Remember that NRA NMC rules require(d) a 4.5 lb trigger. At this point there's barely any engagement on the sear. I might be able to get it down to 2 lbs but I really doubt that the Winchester factory trigger could safely go to ounces. I'd need to find my "ignition wrenches". (There's a term that dates me.)
 
I took it down from about 6.5 lbs out of the box to about 2.5 lbs. Remember that NRA NMC rules require(d) a 4.5 lb trigger. At this point there's barely any engagement on the sear. I might be able to get it down to 2 lbs but I really doubt that the Winchester factory trigger could safely go to ounces. I'd need to find my "ignition wrenches". (There's a term that dates me.)
Not familiar with "ignition wrenches". Are they used for adjusting "points"?
I think the 4.5 rule only applied to Service rifles. There was no trigger pull limit in the 80's and 90's. Just had to be safe and not a release type.
 
Yes, the ignition wrenches were used on points and other small nuts and screws. I have two sets with one being metric and the other SAE. I can't tell you how long I have had them but they occasionally still get used. I have two cars that still use points ignition systems and I have all the tools to align the points and burnish them. That being said I use them for many other tiny screws and bolts too. They run from 3/8" to 3/64".
 
I'd like to express my gratitude for all the advice. I was able to raise my score in today's 60 rd MR F-Class match by 20 points, over what I had been shooting, and at least place third in F-TR. I still had my ass handed to me by a 15 year-old girl but it's all good. With her young eyes, she has the advantage of not periodically having everything go fuzzy in the scope.

P.S. I'd like to add that the match was not without issues. I had a bit of trouble getting on paper because my ballistic calculations were way off. Not sure yet why. I also had some trouble with my bipod slipping. The big difference is that now when I threw a nine, I could say, "OK, what did I do wrong?" as opposed to thinking nines were about about as good as I could shoot.
 
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