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Advice for 6.5x47 Lapua powders and bullets

I notice from the Accurate shooters 6x47 L cartridge guide that H4350 is used in several of the accuracy loads but no mention of AA 4350 or IMR 4350. Is here much of a difference between the three or is it something like the difference between lots of H4350. Just seems curious that IMR 4350and AA 4350 are not mentioned. Maybe availability of IMR and AA is the difference.

I can get an 8 lb. can of IMR 4350 locally but have not seen any H4350 or AA 4350.

I am going to start shooting long range with a 6.5x47 Lapua and would like the number of different powders kept to a minimum, like just one or two. So I would like some guidance in selecting a powder and bullets.


My reloading experience for the last 40 years is for rifles, cast bullets and fast powders.
 
For bullets, my rifles like both the Berger 140 hybrid and the 130. I use the 140 in my f open rifle and the 130 in the sling rifle.
Regarding powder, both my rifles shoot very well with Varget. For the 140 bullet try between 36.5 and 37.5 gn depending on your chamber.
H4350 is also a great choice if you can find it. 40 to 41 gn work in my rifles.
 
I notice from the Accurate shooters 6x47 L cartridge guide that H4350 is used in several of the accuracy loads but no mention of AA 4350 or IMR 4350. Is here much of a difference between the three or is it something like the difference between lots of H4350. Just seems curious that IMR 4350and AA 4350 are not mentioned. Maybe availability of IMR and AA is the difference.

I can get an 8 lb. can of IMR 4350 locally but have not seen any H4350 or AA 4350.

I am going to start shooting long range with a 6.5x47 Lapua and would like the number of different powders kept to a minimum, like just one or two. So I would like some guidance in selecting a powder and bullets.


My reloading experience for the last 40 years is for rifles, cast bullets and fast powders.
If your intention is to shoot "long range" i.e. 800-1000 yards, then with the 6.5 x 47 your only real choice is using 140 class bullets. Certainly you can use lighter projectiles, but you will handicap yourself even more. The 6.5 x 47 is an awesome cartridge, however, for long range, it is marginal compared to cartridges much better suited for that discipline. To extract the most from the 6.5 x 47 for "out yonder" your really do need 140 class bullets. Since you are having trouble finding H4350, which is superb for those bullets, if I were you I would try RL16 (nearly the same burn rate as H4350) and or VV N550, which is proven at that weight. You would do well to stay with the 140's and go with one or the other of those powders, even both..
 
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I notice from the Accurate shooters 6x47 L cartridge guide that H4350 is used in several of the accuracy loads but no mention of AA 4350 or IMR 4350. Is here much of a difference between the three or is it something like the difference between lots of H4350. Just seems curious that IMR 4350and AA 4350 are not mentioned. Maybe availability of IMR and AA is the difference.

I can get an 8 lb. can of IMR 4350 locally but have not seen any H4350 or AA 4350.

I am going to start shooting long range with a 6.5x47 Lapua and would like the number of different powders kept to a minimum, like just one or two. So I would like some guidance in selecting a powder and bullets.


My reloading experience for the last 40 years is for rifles, cast bullets and fast powders.
I have a great shooting 6.5x47 and it just loves h-4350 with 140gr bergers. I am low on h-4350 powder so loaded some imr-4350 and my gun hates it! so for now I will wait until I can get some more h-4350.
 
You can choose the "4350 series" powders over RL-17 and get slightly lower SD's (5 or so) and slightly better temp stability if you are willing to give up 150-200fps.

Just sayin'

:)
 
I have no problems going 1000 yards with a 22" bbl and 130 Berger VLD's. Most all of the 140's would also be a good choice. I have also tested Varget and H4350 and H4350 is the best and easier on the throat.
 
I took delivery of my first 6.5x47 last June and decided to try IMR-4166 since it was available when H4350 wasn't. It's probably a bit fast burning for the 140 hybrids I'm running but accuracy is great.

I haven't tried anything else yet.

Chris
 
...Certainly you can use lighter projectiles, but you will handicap yourself even more. The 6.5 x 47 is an awesome cartridge, however, for long range, it is marginal compared to cartridges much better suited for that discipline...

I'm a little confused here. Handicap yourself more than what? I think the 6.5L is a great 1000 yard cartridge - am I missing something? When you say long range - what distances are you talking about?
 
I'm a little confused here. Handicap yourself more than what? I think the 6.5L is a great 1000 yard cartridge - am I missing something? When you say long range - what distances are you talking about?
I don't believe you read either the OP's post nor mine. The OP was asking for help selecting bullets and powders for Long-Range competition. That means 800-1000 yards. If he were to try using 120-123 class bullets, you can shoot long-range, however, they will drift in the wind considerably more than the 140 class. The 6.5 x 47 is a GREAT cartridge, however, compared to larger cartridges in the .284-.308 range, you lack B.C., bullet weight and in most cases speed too. So it is a marginal LONG-RANGE cartridge at best and using light for caliber bullets will only accentuate that problem. If the OP is shooting F-Open at 1000 yards, there is a host of better cartridges for that competition. So if you want to extract the most from the 6.5 x 47 you really need to use the 140 class bullets.
 
I believe I read both the OP's and your post. I'm not trying to be a jerk here.. it's just that this is the first time I've ever heard anyone call the 6.5L marginal for 1000 yards.
 
I believe I read both the OP's and your post. I'm not trying to be a jerk here.. it's just that this is the first time I've ever heard anyone call the 6.5L marginal for 1000 yards.
Then you must not shoot a lot of 1000 yard F-Open. I have a 6.5 x 47 presently, I had 3 others. I love them and have used them at 1000. Compared to your faster 6.5's, the 284's and most any .308, from .308Win to the .300WSM, the 6.5 x 47 simply can not compete very well except in pretty calm conditions. Get switching winds or quick let-offs and quick pick ups and the 6.5 x 47 will suffer. You can minimize that to a degree by using the 140 class bullets. However, in conditions like those, it simply can not compete with say a .284 or 7mm SAUM or anything in that range.
 
By long range I mean out to 1000 yards. If it is marginal at 1000 yards that is okay. Not only do I have a bad back but my neck is a bit messed up. Shooting old military rifles or my single shots off the bench with cast bullets at around 1400 to 1600 FPS I have to cup the butt stock with my left hand or in about 20 shots my neck pain gets to me. Did I mention that in a few years I will be getting old, I am 74 now.

Shooting offhand does not affect either my back or neck but my offhand is beginning to really suck score wise and shooting is my main hobby. Well that and golf

I Tried shooting a weighted up rifle, 18 lbs. in a .308 with 135 gr bullets from the prone position without too much discomfort. So a F class weight rifle in 6.5x47 with around that weight bullet (136 gr.) I figured would be okay. And if it does not work the way I hope, its only money.
 
By long range I mean out to 1000 yards. If it is marginal at 1000 yards that is okay. Not only do I have a bad back but my neck is a bit messed up. Shooting old military rifles or my single shots off the bench with cast bullets at around 1400 to 1600 FPS I have to cup the butt stock with my left hand or in about 20 shots my neck pain gets to me. Did I mention that in a few years I will be getting old, I am 74 now.

Shooting offhand does not affect either my back or neck but my offhand is beginning to really suck score wise and shooting is my main hobby. Well that and golf

I Tried shooting a weighted up rifle, 18 lbs. in a .308 with 135 gr bullets from the prone position without too much discomfort. So a F class weight rifle in 6.5x47 with around that weight bullet (136 gr.) I figured would be okay. And if it does not work the way I hope, its only money.
You will enjoy shooting the 6.5 x 47. You will enjoy it more with 140 class bullets.
 
I am going to start shooting long range with a 6.5x47 Lapua and would like the number of different powders kept to a minimum, like just one or two. So I would like some guidance in selecting a powder and bullets.

It is going to be hard to beat H4350 in your cartridge. It is a Hodgdon Extreme temperature insensitive powder, while the majority of the IMR powders are not. I avoid IMR for that reason.

A good first cut number to use to select long range bullets is the Form Factor. Only Berger publishes it, but you can calculate it for other brands if they give the G7 BC. Hornady does with some of their ELD bullets. It is just the sectional density divided by the G7 BC. You can look down the Berger Quick Reference Data Sheet, and pick out the bullets with the lowest Form Factor. The good news in all of this is that the lowest form factors can be found in the 6.5 and 7mm bullets. For the most part the 30 cal Form Factors are poor. Yes, the .338 is king of the hill if you are willing to shoot 300 grain bullets, but for lower weight bullets, 6.5 mm is the place to be.

The other interesting thing to consider in the Berger line is the choice between hunting bullets and target bullets. Berger was having trouble with some bullets exploding after muzzle exit and thickened the case to prevent this. The thicker case insulates the lead from the hot barrel and gases to prevent the lead from melting. But, if you are not shooting rapid strings of shots at very high velocity out of a 30+" barrel, you may not need these thicker jacket target bullets. There are a couple of potential advantages to using the hunting bullets over the target. First since the jacket is thinner, the hunting bullet is denser, and can have better ballistics. Just simply more lead and less jacket. And if you read between the lines in some of the Berger blogs they have been having issues with meeting their quality control standards with the thicker jacket material. Potentially the hunting bullets are made to a higher quality level, although they claim they meet the same standard.

So what are the "best" bullets for the 6.5mm in the Berger line? Based on lowest form factor they are:

Form Factor - Bullet Description
0.913 - 135 grain Classic Hunter
0.923 - 140 grain Hybrid Target
0.925 - 130 grain VLD Hunting
0.926 - 130 grain VLD Target
0.926 - 140 grain Elite Hunter

There may be reasons to choose other bullets but those are the ones that come to the top of the list based on theoretical ballistics... You will need an 8.5 or faster twist for these bullets though.

Hope that helps some,
 
Did I mention that in a few years I will be getting old, I am 74 now.

Nah, you have a while before you're old! I'm starting to have some back/neck issues and hope I'm still shooting at 74! I have gotten out of the 30 caliber game and the largest bore I shoot smokeless powder out of is now 6.5. I enjoy shooting the lower recoiling calibers.

Having at least 1 6.5×47L, I found it shot the 130 grain VLDH so well with Varget, I stopped right there. Ideal for 1000 yards, probably not, but it is fantastic at 600.
 
I'm the oddball. For me the 123 Scenar has shot the most accurately out to 1100yd. For powder Power Pro 2000MR pushes this to 3050fps, chopped barrel from 26 to 22in dropped to 3000fps. Compared to 140gr the windage is 10% more with the 123 bullet, and the drop is much less with the 123. With the lighter bullet I am able to run a higher velocity node without pressure issues vs heavier, which partially offsets the BC.
 
RonAKA thanks for the bullet information. And thanks to all the other replies.
I found a pound of RL16 yesterday and will try to find Varget and or Power Pro2000 MR.
I am in the process of putting the rifle together. I have a BAT action now and Krieger 8 twist barrel that should be here Thursday. I was looking at the Whidden site which says 4 to 8 weeks for putting a barreled action together. Looks like he has a lot of other good stuff also.
 
Then you must not shoot a lot of 1000 yard F-Open. I have a 6.5 x 47 presently, I had 3 others. I love them and have used them at 1000. Compared to your faster 6.5's, the 284's and most any .308, from .308Win to the .300WSM, the 6.5 x 47 simply can not compete very well except in pretty calm conditions. Get switching winds or quick let-offs and quick pick ups and the 6.5 x 47 will suffer. You can minimize that to a degree by using the 140 class bullets. However, in conditions like those, it simply can not compete with say a .284 or 7mm SAUM or anything in that range.


;) ;) ;) ;)

Yea, you will never compete with the fast 7's with a lowly 47L unless conditions are perfect like we had at the past nationals in Lodi.

;) ;) ;)
 

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