National Constitutional Carry

[Jammer Six]

Actually, your bazooka is way out of date. You're looking for an AT4 Javelin these days.

 

[holstil]

It being illlegal to murder or threaten people is about all the Gun law we need.
Jim

 

[/VH]

the notion of driving thru even the fringe of most big city neighborhoods is scary enough, without the situation where they are legally carrying. I really like the idea that anyone carrying has been vetted first.

So, the "good guys" have to be vetted but the "bad guys" just keep on doing what they're doing. That doesn't make sense to me.
I never could understand the background check. Bad guys don't have to do them to have guns but good guys have to jump through all the hoops to have a gun. And to top it off you have to have a background check for every gun you buy. What about all the stuff I already bought? Isn't one background check enough?
I have a CCW and still have to fill out the damned paperwork every time I buy a gun. What's the point since The Gov. "supposedly" doesn't use the yellow sheet to keep track of who has what? All of these gun control laws are completely ineffective and useless.
Machine guns? HELL YES! And with no permits or hoops to jump through. The founding fathers intended the average citizen to be as well armed as the military. Now, where's my bazooka?

And furthermore; the "vetting" has been being done by a government that has the letters 'L' and 'R' on the toe of their shoes with velcro latches cuz they can't even tie their own shoelaces. Also, look at the ratio of arrests to background checks denials.

 

[danny]

Just....WOW....

THIS is why we're where we are today

I have for 40yrs had a practice of asking avid shooters 2 questions;

#1, "should we be allowed to buy machine guns without restriction?" and
#2, "should we be able to buy silencers (suppressors) without restriction?"

And invariably through the yrs the bulk of the people have blurted "OF COURSE NOT!"

In the last several years folks' attitude toward suppressors has evolved thanks to the tireless efforts of folks like the OP (Thank You SheepDog sir) but we've a LONG way to go........

Please understand that our Founding Fathers explicitly felt that it was the RIGHT, nay the DUTY of the citizens of these United States to be better armed than the government of same.

And today these sentiments are considered by most to be the delusional rantings of an "extremist wacko"

"duty"="wacko"

sad


al

I have to be conservative here, and I hope I don't rattle some cages too much. I think that I have to draw the cutoff line just below nuclear weapons. I am pretty sure that I don't have the knowledge and "training" to handle those safely, but maybe that is only me . I had to use the word "training" because that is one of the first words that wil come up in a question when the "unwashed" find out you have a firearm. You know, they always immediately tell you that "*da* military and police have *da* "training" to handle that weapon, and you don't". The next magic word will slways be "registered", as in "have you "registered" your weapons?"

Danny

 

[IdahoSharpshooter]

It would be far easier to just pass a law that says if you use a firearm in a crime, you get executed. Back it with Part II that requires the sentence be carried out within one year, and limit the appeals process to one thing: did you actually have the weapon on you when you committed the crime.

The members of this forum are mostly middle class people with jobs, and home owners. That means atypical in today's society.
Does the homeless person pushing their entire collection of earthly possessions down the street in a shopping cart, have the same right?

America has way too many variables in its population for Constitutional Carry to work.

 

[USMCDOC]

The members of this forum are mostly middle class people with jobs, and home owners. That means atypical in today's society.

Does the homeless person pushing their entire collection of earthly possessions down the street in a shopping cart, have the same right?

America has way too many variables in its population for Constitutional Carry to work.

So can i presume that your thinking in a "economic" sense with this statement?

 

[NewLiberty]

Does the homeless person pushing their entire collection of earthly possessions down the street in a shopping cart, have the same right?

He/she certainly does.

 

[NewLiberty]

I worked for Rock Island Auction for a short time a decade or so ago and they have a HUGE room chocked full clear to the ceiling of boxes full of those damned yellow forms from guns they have sold in the past several decades. They are required to keep them untill the world comes to an end. If the Government supposedly doesn't track who has what gun why would they have to keep thousands of those stupid yellow forms? I suspect if the Dems ever succeed in disarming the populace that those forms will be quickly used to figure out who has what. Those forms are effectively "registration".

 

[holstil]

Doesn't matter what one owns or where they own it.
Does a homeless person have less of a right to protect himself?

 

[ED3]

It would be far easier to just pass a law that says if you use a firearm in a crime, you get executed. Back it with Part II that requires the sentence be carried out within one year, and limit the appeals process to one thing: did you actually have the weapon on you when you committed the crime.

The members of this forum are mostly middle class people with jobs, and home owners. That means atypical in today's society.
Does the homeless person pushing their entire collection of earthly possessions down the street in a shopping cart, have the same right?

America has way too many variables in its population for Constitutional Carry to work.

So with all those "variables" in existence, which American citizens should NOT be protected buy the US Constitution?...and why?

 

[redrockranger]

States rights do not include opting out of the constitution. Not any of it even though it may seem unpalatable to some. Gun control has become one of the sacraments of the democrat party. It will likely initiate a stink but what doesn't?

I am no legal scholar but it would seem to me that the Heller decision would support concealed carry but anything coming before the court is subject to the whim of the majority and thanks to Obama the court is defunct as it were.

Joe

The States cannot repeal Federal laws............

 

[redrockranger]

the notion of driving thru even the fringe of most big city neighborhoods is scary enough, without the situation where they are legally carrying. I really like the idea that anyone carrying has been vetted first.

Criminals will always have access to guns.

 

[USMCDOC]

The States cannot repeal Federal laws............

You don't know the Ninth and Tenth very well then do you..

 

[redrockranger]

So with all those "variables" in existence, which American citizens should NOT be protected buy the US Constitution?...and why?

There are many lawyers that chase ambulances. There are few who practice Constitutional Law as needed in this country. Though to fight city hall.

 

[redrockranger]

You don't know the Ninth and Tenth very well then do you..

Enlighten me please.

 

[USMCDOC]

Enlighten me please.

The point that i am getting to is, with the 9th and the 10th, the states can abolish every federal law there is!

 

[redrockranger]

The point that i am getting to is, with the 9th and the 10th, the states can abolish every federal law there is!

What is not covered in the Constitution is granted to the States.....

 

[USMCDOC]

What is not covered in the Constitution is granted to the States.....

Ok.. let me say this way then.. who established the federal gov?

 

[redrockranger]

Ok.. let me say this way then.. who established the federal gov?

The States ratified the Constitution. Most of the founders were more concerned with abuse by the States than from the Federal government. Check out the Federalist Papers. John Jay, Hamilton and Madison. Thomas Jefferson was a brilliant man,many observations made 200 + years ago are true today. We threw out George the 3rd and now we have 1000's of kings. Mans mind has not changed.

 

[SheepDog]

Ok.. let me say this way then.. who established the federal gov?

The people established the constitution to limit the control of the federal government. We have failed in our determination to hold them to those limits.