I never take a negative attitude when trying to fix problem and I will not cut up Expensive feeler gauges . I was just makeing a simple test . Larry
Shaving a sizing die.
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Easy peasy except you have to pay the machinist about $20 an hour and you might pull the top of the shell holder off with some thick rimmed cases.
That happens a fairly often with the thick rim of the .43 Spanish round when using Lee shell holders.
That happens a fairly often with the thick rim of the .43 Spanish round when using Lee shell holders.
I never take a negative attitude either. There is no reason to resort to an aluminum can if you have a $5 feeler gauge.
Why do you think you have to cut up a feeler gauge? Even if you do feeler gauges are much cheaper than machinists services.
Why do you think you have to cut up a feeler gauge? Even if you do feeler gauges are much cheaper than machinists services.
Most machinist wouldn't open their box for $20 a hour . If it was a lee shell holder a grinding wheel and a little skill would fix it but you still have to know how much to shorten it . If it isn't straight it wouldn't matter The die will stop when the die and the shell holder touch . Larry
dmoran
Donovan Moran
"you might pull the top of the shell holder off" .. never heard of that one before, and sounds like your Lee shell holders must be crap. And sounds like you may not know how simple, easy, and fast it is to do or have done.
When surface ground theres also more gain in having it done; it trues the shell holder, which some are not.
Donovan
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How do you know what a machinist will work for? Are you a machinist?
I was for several years.
Why would you own a grinding wheel but no feeler gauge? There is just no good reason to not own a feeler gauge.
If you don't use a hardened shell holder you can cut it down with a file. No grinding wheel needed and they cost money too.
The belt of the case may hit the top of the belt recess in the die before the shoulder gets moved back enough. Then what will you use to measure the belt recess depth? You will need the depth rod on a caliper or a depth mike and they cost money too.
I was for several years.
Why would you own a grinding wheel but no feeler gauge? There is just no good reason to not own a feeler gauge.
If you don't use a hardened shell holder you can cut it down with a file. No grinding wheel needed and they cost money too.
The belt of the case may hit the top of the belt recess in the die before the shoulder gets moved back enough. Then what will you use to measure the belt recess depth? You will need the depth rod on a caliper or a depth mike and they cost money too.
I do not use Lee shell holders for that reason and I guess you have never seen that happen. It is not uncommon with some thick rimmed rounds.
I know exactly how to do it since I have done a number of times. The first shell holder I altered was faced off in a lathe about 45 years ago and I did the machining. But it is not a one size fits all cure since some shell holders are heat treated and are brittle. If you cut them too thin the lip may pull off in one piece.
Perhaps you have never seen that happen. RCBS shell holders for the .43 Spanish round are .150 deep and Lee shell holders are .125 deep like all standard shell holders.
I know exactly how to do it since I have done a number of times. The first shell holder I altered was faced off in a lathe about 45 years ago and I did the machining. But it is not a one size fits all cure since some shell holders are heat treated and are brittle. If you cut them too thin the lip may pull off in one piece.
Perhaps you have never seen that happen. RCBS shell holders for the .43 Spanish round are .150 deep and Lee shell holders are .125 deep like all standard shell holders.
dmoran
Donovan Moran
Ya... can see where that would be possible, if excessive amounts were removed.
Besides myself, know of many others. Go down the line in a reloading room at a BR match and see how many are using surface grounds. Even know one custom die maker (Jerry Simison) that ground and provided them with the die(s). It's very popular and been done like for ever.
Donovan
So you haven't been modifying shell holders for more than 45 years and you have to rely on pointing at others work?
Have you ever even touched a surface grinder?
Have you ever even touched a surface grinder?
Like I said earlier I will not trim my 1/2 wide feeler gauges down to fit in any shell holder
And do I know any machinist Only about ten. Several friend also have lathes with carbide cutting tools . A shell holder should fit in most drill presses. They should also fit in a 1/2 drill . I think I need to wish you a merry Christmas Larry
Ledd Slinger
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Ever heard of lubing the cases and keeping your expander ball clean? Lol. Annealing your necks helps too
Wonder how long it takes a machinist to pay off his tooling and machines at $20 per hour? I think you have machinists confused with Californian fast food workers. Lol
Buy a set of tapered feeler gauges. Know what I mean.
Besides this OPs magnum case is larger than .500 wide so your feeler gage would work fine and even if you did cut it, it would be cheaper than taking the shell holder to someone to fix. I have known hundreds of machinists, tool makers, model makers, CNC programmers and manufacturing engineers. Feeler gauges and shim stock are part of every day business when tooling up a new product for production.
Besides this OPs magnum case is larger than .500 wide so your feeler gage would work fine and even if you did cut it, it would be cheaper than taking the shell holder to someone to fix. I have known hundreds of machinists, tool makers, model makers, CNC programmers and manufacturing engineers. Feeler gauges and shim stock are part of every day business when tooling up a new product for production.
Lead have you ever sized a large BPCR case like the .43 Spanish. I bet not.
I suspect that you are not a machinist and do not know how much they make. Today's "machinists" are really CNC operators and many do not make $20 an hour.
Skilled open set up machinists are not really that common any more because most production is done on CNC machines. Open set up work is often domain of the tool makers and prototype machinists.
I suspect that you are not a machinist and do not know how much they make. Today's "machinists" are really CNC operators and many do not make $20 an hour.
Skilled open set up machinists are not really that common any more because most production is done on CNC machines. Open set up work is often domain of the tool makers and prototype machinists.
Ever heard of lubing the cases and keeping your expander ball clean? Lol. Annealing your necks helps too
Wonder how long it takes a machinist to pay off his tooling and machines at $20 per hour? I think you have machinists confused with Californian fast food workers. Lol
Larry is not right and neither are you. Save your holiday comments. They have nothing to do with your never running a surface grinder.
Ledd Slinger
Silver $$ Contributor
Never heard of a company that does work for the hourly wage they pay their employees.
Don't have to be a machinist to figure out how to avoid breaking a shell holder. And I'm pretty sure we're all talking about a shell holder for a 338 win mag here. You're off in LA LA land with whatever the hell a 43 Spanish is...
You are not necessarily the best informed person here then. What customer gets charged for a machinist is not what they pay a machinist in many companies.
The total cost of any factory worker is usually about 30% more than the pay rate to cover the benefits.
I attended a company Christmas party at a shop doing some high dollar work for us in Fremont, Ca.
I was seated at a table with an engineer and several CNC machine operators. I asked the guy on my right which machines he ran and he could not reply because he did not speak English. I am sure he was hired to work in that shop simply because he did not know enough English to command a better pay rate.
The total cost of any factory worker is usually about 30% more than the pay rate to cover the benefits.
I attended a company Christmas party at a shop doing some high dollar work for us in Fremont, Ca.
I was seated at a table with an engineer and several CNC machine operators. I asked the guy on my right which machines he ran and he could not reply because he did not speak English. I am sure he was hired to work in that shop simply because he did not know enough English to command a better pay rate.
Ledd Slinger
Silver $$ Contributor
Yeah nevermind the overhead of the building lease, utilities, liability insurance, tooling and machinery upkeep, business taxes and whatever else. They'll only charge you for the cost of employee benefits over the hourly wage they pay them.
But I guess you spoke to a CNC operator that didn't speak English at a Christmas dinner one time so what do I know about business overhead and costs? Geez I'm such an idiot sometimes.
If it does not take a machinist then why do people break them? Apparently you don't know and you are not a machinist or a manufacturing cost subject matter expert.
I bet there are way more .43 Spanish rifles than there are .338 Win Mags. You just live in a small part of the shooting world. The .43 Spanish caliber Remington Rolling Block was the military rifle for several countries and were manufactured in the many thousands.
Ledd Slinger
Silver $$ Contributor
Don't give a rats a**. That's not the cartridge in the discussion
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