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The Savage Barrel System & Costs

I often hear the Savage barrel nut system is a god-send for owners who change out barrels or build a rifle at home, avoiding the cost, hassle, and long waits commonly associated with gunsmiths. I am not so sure now. I think it depends on your expectations.

I am building a Savage 6mmBR. Criterion, Shilen, Pac-Nor, and others all offer button-rifled pre-fit barrels. But, these are sometimes limited in twist, contour, and length options. Also, most chamber the rifle with a longish free-bore, which in my case, is not wanted. If the barrel maker does not have a preferred reamer, you must buy or borrow one. And then, you will find that not all pre-fit makers will use a custom reamer, and those that do, may charge extra for doing so. On the other hand, at least one barrel maker will take your dummy rounds and chamber to those, at no extra charge, and another charges nothing for using a custom reamer.

The shopping list and potential costs (could be more or less):

Prefit Barrel: $320 - $450
Custom Reamer: $160
Fee to Use Custom Reamer: $50
Barrel nut wrench: $28
Action wrench: $60
Go-Gauge: $37

I checked three separate barrel makers. Their barrels (top end grade, if there were “grades”), ordered direct from them, plus tools and surcharges (if any), totaled $705, $734, and $735. Same barrels bought from a discount source cut the cost some, to $655, $624, and $735.

How does that compare to a high end barrel chambered by a professional gunsmith? Not favorably.

A new Krieger cut-rifled barrel blank is about $345. I called around and some gunsmiths will chamber and thread the barrel for $250 to $350, for a total outlay of $595 - $695. All said the cost included using a reamer to meet my needs. Some smiths may charge for custom reaming. One smith said they will not do a barrel without tuning the action (another $250).

No real cost savings I can see with the Savage system. UNLESS, you opt for a lower end barrel and/or DO change out barrels on a regular basis. If I get to a place where I can shoot longer range, I will have two barrels for my Savage, one for 68 grain bullets at my local short ranges and the other with a fast twist and heavier bullets for 300+ yard distances. Since standard pre-fits in 6mmBR are reamed for heavier bullets, I can probably use something right off the shelf, and I already have the tools. A 2nd barrel for as little as $320 that suits my needs, or two barrels for about $975. Less than $500/barrel.

In my opinion, the Savage system makes sense, if you are invested in multiple Savage rifles or change barrels frequently, but not so sure I would go this way for a one-off Savage that will seldom see any barrel changes. I am next building a Howa in 6.5x47 and one smith can use a barrel nut system for it, but why? That barrel will probably outlive me and never come off the gun.


Phil
 
Given your assumptions regarding limited options with pre fit barrels, you are correct. however not all pre fits have long throats, such as my Criterion .308 barrels. for F/TR for example, the Berger 185 Juggernauts is THE bullet of choice for many, and my Criterion shoots 'em like a house on fire.

many of these barrels are extremely accurate and fill the needs for many competition shooters. others, like your self, want more options and control over the final product. ain't the free market wonderful? ;)

and yes, the ability to change barrels and calibers at home is a big plus for many. also, very often, there are very long wait times for "custom" barrels and gunsmithing.

rememeber as well when adding up the costs, 99% of the rather inexpensive tools you need to buy are bought just once and can be reused many times

it's great to have all these choices available for shooters
 
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I have done a few Savage redos.
It is an economy of scale calculation if it is based solely on cost. And as the other poster mentioned, the tools are mainly a "buy once, cry once" deal.
I haven't had many barrel makers refuse to use my reamers. Most will if you are persistent.
IMO, you've left off some additional costs. Again IMO, but you'll need a trigger and stock to go along with the barrel setup. You also didn't list a barrel vise, which again IMO is necessary tool.
I agree, other than the "I did it" or hey, this is fun factor, doing one is not really economically smart.
But doing 10 or 15???:) (It can become an OCD thing) And the ability to easily change a shot out barrel or under performing barrel? Priceless. Lol. Then you add "weird" cartridges. Now that's fun.
 
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rememeber as well when adding up the costs, 99% of the rather inexpensive tools you need to buy are bought just once and can be reused many times
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Not only that, if you know me, you can borrow those special Savage barrel swap tools (wrenches, barrel vice, go gauge, etc.) for the price of a 6 pack or a bottle of rough red wine. These tools are not likely to be damaged, so folks are usually willing to loan them out, so ask your shooting buddies who build Savage based guns if they will loan you the tools.
 
Phil3,

If that seems expensive, just buy a new rifle each time you change your barrel wants.

About 1995 I built a true switch barrel Savage package on a single shot action. I had factory barrels in 223, 22-284 (rechambered 223 Rem 1:9" twist factory barrel), 6mm Rem, 7STW (rechambered 7mag factory barrel) 308, and 300 H&H (rechambered a 26" fluted 308 barrel). I had a barrel wrench and all three bolt heads. About a thousand dollars over the cost of the basic rifle, a 112 BV-SS.

Bartlein is fitting a 6.5-284 Palma Contour barrel to my Old Model 70. It's going to cost me about twice what I paid for the rifle originally. Things are a lot more expensive lately.

Rich

PS: it takes me about ten minutes to switch barrels...
 
Southern Precision Rifles (Bugholes.com) charges a $160 for a Savage chambering on their barrel blanks (Bartlein, Brux, etc)
 
Savage barrel cost from$250 to 700 but you can change the barrel on any action with these thread Both long and short small shank you can put it on a hand gun . As far as a trued action or not I can't see any difference . Barrels is another story.
I have a $350 barrel that shoot as good as my custom action And barrel . Larry
 
Bought a Krieger from Greg Young at Bugholes, he shipped it to Dave Bruno. Dave chambered it and threaded it for a muzzle brake. Dave shipped it to me. Total cost form purchasing from Greg to my front door from Dave, $690.00......This barrel was chambered with the middle 6mm Competition Match reamer, for Lapua brass with a 104 freebore.
 
You cant count tools as you will always have them. Tools are an investment and don't get discarded like barrels.
 
im considering getting something built with either a mausingfield or bighorm receiver with savage threads and then buying pre-fit barrels or having barrels machined to savage thread patterns. i like flexibility and trying new things. also, the last time i had one of my rifles re-barreled ti was gone for almost 8 months. with pre-fits i hope to be able to avoid the down time for a rifle while waiting for it to come back because the smith needed it to chamber a new barrel. cost is a secondary issue and i have the tools. for me its convenience and flexibility and no down-time.
 
I have done a few Savage redos.
It is an economy of scale calculation if it is based solely on cost. And as the other poster mentioned, the tools are mainly a "buy once, cry once" deal.
I haven't had many barrel makers refuse to use my reamers. Most will if you are persistent.
IMO, you've left off some additional costs. Again IMO, but you'll need a trigger and stock to go along with the barrel setup. You also didn't list a barrel vise, which again IMO is necessary tool.
I agree, other than the "I did it" or hey, this is fun factor, doing one is not really economically smart.
But doing 10 or 15???:) (It can become an OCD thing) And the ability to easily change a shot out barrel or under performing barrel? Priceless. Lol. Then you add "weird" cartridges. Now that's fun.

Yes, economy of scale..., the reason behind my original statement of "...the Savage system makes sense, if you are invested in multiple Savage rifles or change barrels frequently...". The tool cost then becomes less and less of an issue.

My original post pertained to the Savage barrel nut system vs a gunsmith shouldered barrel, not the cost of trigger, stock, etc..., which do not necessarily have to change with a different barrel fixation method.

I mistakenly cited "action wrench". Should be "action vise", holder, or whatever. Just need a way to hold barrel or action, plus a barrel nut wrench. Either way, the cost is pretty much unchanged.

Your comment on doing one vs 10 - 15 is why I wonder if I should invest in Savage completely. Not that I would do 10 - 15, but clearly, my ONE savage rifle is not providing me any financial benefits on barrel mounting. But more Savages would provide increasing benefit.


Phil
 
Yes, economy of scale..., the reason behind my original statement of "...the Savage system makes sense, if you are invested in multiple Savage rifles or change barrels frequently...". The tool cost then becomes less and less of an issue.

My original post pertained to the Savage barrel nut system vs a gunsmith shouldered barrel, not the cost of trigger, stock, etc..., which do not necessarily have to change with a different barrel fixation method.

I mistakenly cited "action wrench". Should be "action vise", holder, or whatever. Just need a way to hold barrel or action, plus a barrel nut wrench. Either way, the cost is pretty much unchanged.

Your comment on doing one vs 10 - 15 is why I wonder if I should invest in Savage completely. Not that I would do 10 - 15, but clearly, my ONE savage rifle is not providing me any financial benefits on barrel mounting. But more Savages would provide increasing benefit.


Phil
One gun and 10 barrels 3 haveing different bolt face . Savage again . I have several of both . Larry
 
Larry,

Thinking of getting a Savage LRP, replace the barrel with a 6.5 x 47 Lapua and then use the 6mmBR off my single shot Savage (large shank) and experiment with mag feeding for that round. And then maybe a 6PPC...and stop until I get carried away. But, with one or two guns, I could really invest in great optics, stock, etc..

Phil
 
Larry,

Thinking of getting a Savage LRP, replace the barrel with a 6.5 x 47 Lapua and then use the 6mmBR off my single shot Savage (large shank) and experiment with mag feeding for that round. And then maybe a 6PPC...and stop until I get carried away. But, with one or two guns, I could really invest in great optics, stock, etc..

Phil



endless possibilities......................................................and to the wife it's just one rifle!!:rolleyes:
 
Larry,

Thinking of getting a Savage LRP, replace the barrel with a 6.5 x 47 Lapua and then use the 6mmBR off my single shot Savage (large shank) and experiment with mag feeding for that round. And then maybe a 6PPC...and stop until I get carried away. But, with one or two guns, I could really invest in great optics, stock, etc..

Phil
Phil
I have 3 LRP Actions they shoot every bit as good as my customs . Accuracy come from the barrel and the load . Larry
 
I've read this thread a couple of times and certainly may have missed something. I don't see what your intended purpose for this rifle. If you are looking to punch paper and have some fun for yourself, a Savage is fine. I have owned several and still have a couple. If that is your purpose you are wasting $$ to go with a high end barrel, chamber job etc. The after market barrels from Criterion, Shilen, Pac Not etc will do just exactly what you want. It is really point less to bother with custom reamers, gunsmiths etc and build this around a Savage action. Short range benchrest rifles are the most accurate in the world and you will NEVER see a Savage in the winner list. If you want accuracy and really feel the need to go the custom route then get a custom action and go for it. If you want economics you can split the difference and get a Remington. For serious accuracy forget the Savage. They are fine for varmints, but that's about it. Last time I bought a Criterion it was just over $300 and it will do everything you can. Flame suit on.

Rick
 

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