tuner questions

[Slickrick0999]

Thinking about threading my barrel for a tuner.
What experience can you all offer?
Kinda liking the Borden one but can't find where to buy one.
I have a 6ppc LV set up
Thanks,

 

[Dusty Stevens]

Most lv rifles are using a tsi/buckys tuner. You cant make a barrel shoot better with a tuner but you can damn sure make it shoot worse. Go to a match and see what everybody is using and if youre a master tuner without a barrel attachment it will help you maybe stay in tune for another group before you change loads

 

[tenring]

Many of our groundhog match shooters like the Bob Green tuner.

 

[johnmyers]

I have one from Mike Ezell on a ppc and it works

 

[JimPag]

In IBS short range score I've seen more Sid Goodling tuners than anything else. I have 3 of Mike Ezell's and 1 of Jim Bordens and I'm going to get one of Sid's to try it out. I just bought 2 complete Rimrock action rifles so I haven't had a chance to try the Borden tuner yet, but I put one of Mike Ezell's on at the beginning the 2015 season and I did better last season than I did when I started in 2013. Mike's tuner's are super easy to use, but they are a little on the heavy side. My 1st one weighted 7.6 oz and the last 2 were 7.1. I had a Begg's tuner on one rifle, but it was too much of a hassle to try to change it in the middle of a match so I replaced it with an Ezell tuner.

 

[Slickrick0999]

In IBS short range score I've seen more Sid Goodling tuners than anything else. I have 3 of Mike Ezell's and 1 of Jim Bordens and I'm going to get one of Sid's to try it out. I just bought 2 complete Rimrock action rifles so I haven't had a chance to try the Borden tuner yet, but I put one of Mike Ezell's on at the beginning the 2015 season and I did better last season than I did when I started in 2013. Mike's tuner's are super easy to use, but they are a little on the heavy side. My 1st one weighted 7.6 oz and the last 2 were 7.1. I had a Begg's tuner on one rifle, but it was too much of a hassle to try to change it in the middle of a match so I replaced it with an Ezell tuner.

OK, so how do you guys know what to do with the tuner and when to do it?

 

[ergonsdad]

OK, so how do you guys know what to do with the tuner and when to do it?

There are a number of tuners for sale. Some are used for competition and do not include a muzzle brake. Most tuners will work, some better than others. I prefer the RAS tuners with the muzzle brake. The only time I have been unable to reduce the group size is if the rifle shoots so well I can't measure the improvement. I have shot thousands of rounds tuning rifles and typically find a 30 to 70% reduction in group size IF the tuner is properly installed and the tuning instructions are followed. A good tuner will normally find a good sweet spot with only very small adjustments needed. Some tuner providers, like RAS, will offer you you money back if the tuner does not reduce your group size. Go to www.RAStuners.com and they have a detailed set of instructions for installing and tuning there tuners.

 

[JimPag]

OK, so how do you guys know what to do with the tuner and when to do it?

OK, so how do you guys know what to do with the tuner and when to do it?

On Ezell's tuner, you run the tuner all the way in, then back it off 1/2 to 1 full turn. I turn it one full turn. There are 32 hash marks on the tuner. Start with it set at zero. I begin by shooting 3 shot groups at each mark, say at zero, 31, 30, and 29. Then I'll go back and put it on 1, 2 and 3. You'll see a pattern develop within a range of 2-4 marks. It will represent your extreme largest to smallest groups and will repeat itself up and down the threads. In most cases the tune will repeat itself 3-4 times per revolution. There is no need to keep searching for different spots that shoot well. The window between widest to smallest, and back to widest is the area to concentrate on next. Simply go back to your best setting, which should be in the middle of the 2 worst settings at any given node. Now from your best setting, start over, but use 1/2 or less graduation movements and fine tune like this. You should be able to find a good tune in 20-25 rounds or less. Very small adjustments of 1/4 to 1 graduation, when necessary, is enough to keep most barrels shooting at a wide range of temp variations. That's about it in a nut shell.

 

[jsthntn247]

I have an Ezell tuner and was amazed at the difference it could make. Went from bugholes at 300 to 5" groups in 4 marks. .001 on tuner made allot of difference.

 

[JEFFPPC]

Thinking about threading my barrel for a tuner.
What experience can you all offer?
Kinda liking the Borden one but can't find where to buy one.
I have a 6ppc LV set up
Thanks,

Here is a vote for Bob Green's tuners. I have them on 3 competition rifles. This is my fourth season with his tuners. I would not want a rifle without one. I have them on a 6BRX, 6PPC, and a 30BR. I shoot matches form 100 to a 1000 yds. Get one , use it PROPERLY, and I think you will be pleased.

 

[BenPerfected]

Today I am using a Harrell's, RAS, EC and an Ezell tuner. They all work, some are easier to adjust. You are likely going to adjust the tuner ever time you shoot....similar to changing your powder charge but much easier and faster. All my barrels are threaded .750-32
Ben

 

[JimPag]

Today I am using a Harrell's, RAS, EC and an Ezell tuner. They all work, some are easier to adjust. You are likely going to adjust the tuner ever time you shoot....similar to changing your powder charge but much easier and faster. All my barrels are threaded .750-32
Ben

Most people in SR BR hardly ever touch their tuners.

 

[BenPerfected]

Hardly is the key....why do shooters change their powder charge? A tune is a tune regardless of how you get there.

 

[savagedasher]

OK, so how do you guys know what to do with the tuner and when to do it?

When I load I mite do it a few days in advance. And my tune is for a head wind The day of the shoot we have a tail wind . Without a tuner I'm toast. Larry

 

[JimPag]

Hardly is the key....why do shooters change their powder charge? A tune is a tune regardless of how you get there.

You said that you are likely going to adjust every time you shoot, I disagree. Most of the guy's that I shoot against don't touch their tuner at all. That's a fact because I've asked them. That was a big factor when I decided to start running tuners on all my rifles. I never once touched my tuner last season. Like I said, I shoot short range score BR. I don't know if you shoot 600 or 1000 yards, and maybe you have to do like you say at those distances.

 

[LHSmith]

You said that you are likely going to adjust every time you shoot, I disagree. Most of the guy's that I shoot against don't touch their tuner at all. That's a fact because I've asked them. That was a big factor when I decided to start running tuners on all my rifles. I never once touched my tuner last season. Like I said, I shoot short range score BR. I don't know if you shoot 600 or 1000 yards, and maybe you have to do like you say at those distances.

Perhaps due to 30BR's are not as fickle to tune as other comp cartridges.

 

[savagedasher]

My question is why would someone put a turner on a gun and not use it ?
Larry

 

[JimPag]

Perhaps due to 30BR's are not as fickle to tune as other comp cartridges.

This is true.

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

In use, I begin shooting on the warm up target...while conditions are typically best of the day, at the same setting I used last. This is usually close but may or may not need a small adjustment in either direction. If forced to "guess" before firing a couple of sighters, I can do so with pretty good results by moving or leaving it alone, based on temps. For example...say I last shot late in the day at 85 degrees and today it 45...I may very well start by moving the tuner OUT by one hash mark. I do this only because of the wide temp swing and EXPECTED change in tune as a result. All this gains me is a two or three less sighters shots, while tuning on the warm up target. One can very easily just start where it was last set and come to the same place. Either way, I may or may not be dialed in precisely yet and will base any further movement of the tuner on size and shape of groups on the sighters target. If I'm close, my next move will likely be something less than a full mark on either or both sides of this setting. Gene Beggs said it very well when he describes it as being as simple as adjusting the focus ring on a scope. Many times with my tuner, the last setting used when last shot will still be in tune the next day...or week, and I don't need to move it. Same goes for shooting throughout a day or match...Many times I can shoot the match without moving it at all...but when I do, this is very important to remember. ...I'll always be very close. The biggest adjustment I've ever needed to make during a match and from a good tune, was two marks throughout the day. That was a day where the Temps went from around the upper 30's and ending in the 80's. The key is knowing what to do and when. This comes with time but it's not difficult at all. Some shooters bring 2-3 loads to the bench....I bring a tuner. Same deal.----Mike Ezell

 

[vahena]

In use, I begin shooting on the warm up target...while conditions are typically best of the day, at the same setting I used last. This is usually close but may or may not need a small adjustment in either direction. If forced to "guess" before firing a couple of sighters, I can do so with pretty good results by moving or leaving it alone, based on temps. For example...say I last shot late in the day at 85 degrees and today it 45...I may very well start by moving the tuner OUT by one hash mark. I do this only because of the wide temp swing and EXPECTED change in tune as a result. All this gains me is a two or three less sighters shots, while tuning on the warm up target. One can very easily just start where it was last set and come to the same place. Either way, I may or may not be dialed in precisely yet and will base any further movement of the tuner on size and shape of groups on the sighters target. If I'm close, my next move will likely be something less than a full mark on either or both sides of this setting. Gene Beggs said it very well when he describes it as being as simple as adjusting the focus ring on a scope. Many times with my tuner, the last setting used when last shot will still be in tune the next day...or week, and I don't need to move it. Same goes for shooting throughout a day or match...Many times I can shoot the match without moving it at all...but when I do, this is very important to remember. ...I'll always be very close. The biggest adjustment I've ever needed to make during a match and from a good tune, was two marks throughout the day. That was a day where the Temps went from around the upper 30's and ending in the 80's. The key is knowing what to do and when. This comes with time but it's not difficult at all. Some shooters bring 2-3 loads to the bench....I bring a tuner. Same deal.----Mike Ezell

Thank you for that explanation, it was just what I needed to hear and thought.
Rob