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When I was full length sizing, I was told to neck size for best accuracy. Now that I am neck sizing, I am being told to full length size. Are the die makers needing money and they make us switch every few years? Luckily my ammo shoots better than I can so I don't have to buy new dies yet.
 
Just last night, for the first time EVER I used a new neck sizing die on my once fired Lapua 223 brass. Guys here mentioned that it usually takes 2 firings to get the brass fully formed to my chamber so that I can then bump my shoulder from the "true" max chamber dimension. I get up this morning and see this. YOU GUYS ARE DRIVING ME NUTS!!!:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::(

I'm sticking to my plan!o_O Fire, neck size, fire, measure and bump.:cool:
 
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Been saying that for years. If you are getting better results neck sizing....get a FL die that fits YOUR chamber. The better brass life by N.S. is a fallacy. The added wear and tear on locking lugs is absolutely true. The only caveat to this is those who are willing to keep their loads down in book starting territory (I'm thinking a minority of readers)......then yes neck sizing will work for you.
 
I don't pretend to be an expert or even very knowledgeable. I have neck sized Ackley Improved cartridges for years and I believe some of the brass would still be going when the barrel is shot out. The only time I had problems was when I ran things so hot I ruined primer pockets. I have never had problems with the bolt being hard to close. I don't shoot competition, and sufficient accuracy is there, so I ain't changing. So, is it possible that the AI chambers just don't stretch brass as much? I think that is true. If I were shooting something like a .243 then it would probably stretch to the point I would need to full length size. So it is my personal opinion that multiple factors contribute to the need to full length size or not. I can't afford or justify the cost of having a die made for my chamber - each time a barrel is replaced would mean a new die.

I am certainly not not going to stop neck sizing because some guy I don't know and who can't speak good English said I was crazy for doing it.
 
I never, NEVER full length size my 223 brass (Winchester, Hornaday, FC) and have ONLY neck sized for thousands of rounds fired out of my BOLT GUN. My brass has many, many cycles and never grows, never needs necks trimmed, never a stiff bolt on closure. My only reason to scrap the brass is loose primer pockets. My runout is as close to zero ( .0015 or under) as can be using a Lee neck sizer collet die and my handloads are capable of consistent sub 1/4 moa accuracy, with some groups in the zeros. Doesn't mean I'm doing it right, or the best way but it works fine for my shooting.

So why does this guy espouse full length sizing as the ONLY way to fly? He's a competition shooter! The last thing he wants is a stiff bolt close upsetting his carefully positioned and very expensive shoot'n iron. And hammering a bolt open means time to pack up an leave. You've just lost because you simply don't have time to get set again. Tick-Tock, tick-tock.

Now, my 6mmBR brass, yes I full length size and use a bushing for the neck. All in one step and yes it produces very consistent sizing. Not the only way to fly, but it does work.

Tomorrow I'll be NECK SIZING once fired 338 LM brass for loading. Already checked for fit in the chamber, bolt closes easily. We'll see how it extracts, but I don't anticipate any problems, and this will fully fire form this brass. After that, FL size as necessary.

And that's the bottom line regarding loading techniques. Use that which works well for your particular type of shooting. The rest is just superfluous.
 
You dont know, what you don't know. Erik shoots for Team Lapua and has plenty of top 5 finishes in F-class both 600 and 1000 yard matches. That's his background and he also has a youtube channel with some helpful video's that you might learn a thing or two from watching.

no one ever told you a new die is needed for every barrel. Adjustments of the die are needed for every barrel or firing depending how your brass reacts after annealing or not annealing.

Dont attack some accent just because it different from yours. And dont throw rocks from a glass house. When your grammer is just above a graduate of 6th grade
 
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I never, NEVER full length size my 223 brass (Winchester, Hornaday, FC) and have ONLY neck sized for thousands of rounds fired out of my BOLT GUN. My brass has many, many cycles and never grows, never needs necks trimmed, never a stiff bolt on closure. My only reason to scrap the brass is loose primer pockets. My runout is as close to zero ( .0015 or under) as can be using a Lee neck sizer collet die and my handloads are capable of consistent sub 1/4 moa accuracy, with some groups in the zeros. Doesn't mean I'm doing it right, or the best way but it works fine for my shooting.
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Good on you. You do realize you have achieved a greater degree of accuracy than 1/2 the field ( ~150 competitors) that campaigned at the 2017 FISS Super Shoot at Kelbly's Range in Ohio. Registration forms for the next FISS are on Kelbly's website now. You should go.
 
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I don't pretend to be an expert or even very knowledgeable. I have neck sized Ackley Improved cartridges for years and I believe some of the brass would still be going when the barrel is shot out. The only time I had problems was when I ran things so hot I ruined primer pockets. I have never had problems with the bolt being hard to close. I don't shoot competition, and sufficient accuracy is there, so I ain't changing. So, is it possible that the AI chambers just don't stretch brass as much? I think that is true. If I were shooting something like a .243 then it would probably stretch to the point I would need to full length size. So it is my personal opinion that multiple factors contribute to the need to full length size or not. I can't afford or justify the cost of having a die made for my chamber - each time a barrel is replaced would mean a new die.

I am certainly not not going to stop neck sizing because some guy I don't know and who can't speak good English said I was crazy for doing it.
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This guy you don't know and feel compelled to bash the way he speaks is the reigning 3 time Texas State LR F Class champion. Might also be worth noting that he just finished 3rd at the U.S. Nationals and in August finished 5th in the F Class Worlds. That may not impress you considering you don't shoot competition but your comment about needing a new die for every time a barrel is replaced tells me you don't know what the hell you are talking about and maybe folks should bypass your rant on how you justify your method.
 
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I don't pretend to be an expert or even very knowledgeable. I have neck sized Ackley Improved cartridges for years and I believe some of the brass would still be going when the barrel is shot out. The only time I had problems was when I ran things so hot I ruined primer pockets. I have never had problems with the bolt being hard to close. I don't shoot competition, and sufficient accuracy is there, so I ain't changing. So, is it possible that the AI chambers just don't stretch brass as much? I think that is true. If I were shooting something like a .243 then it would probably stretch to the point I would need to full length size. So it is my personal opinion that multiple factors contribute to the need to full length size or not. I can't afford or justify the cost of having a die made for my chamber - each time a barrel is replaced would mean a new die.

I am certainly not not going to stop neck sizing because some guy I don't know and who can't speak good English said I was crazy for doing it.
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"He" is world class competitive shooter who knows what he is talking about. His english is fine. I understood every word. I would hate to think folks here have race issues. More importantly he DOES know what he is talking about. Check out his post 'Load Development at 100 Yards'. I believe it surpassed 2000 hits recently.
It's a free country (so far) so you can do what pleases you. In my 20+ years of competitive shooting I have found that he is correct. I full-length size every firing - just enough.
 
That is Erik Cortina. In addition to being a world class shooter, a member here, a hard-working small business owner, and a super dad to his amazing daughter, he has been super responsive and helpful to me personally.

Someone knocking him for a regional accent makes my blood boil.

Got to get off here before I say something that’ll I’ll regret.
 
Knotwild said:
I don't pretend to be an expert or even very knowledgeable. I have neck sized Ackley Improved cartridges for years and I believe some of the brass would still be going when the barrel is shot out. The only time I had problems was when I ran things so hot I ruined primer pockets. I have never had problems with the bolt being hard to close. I don't shoot competition, and sufficient accuracy is there, so I ain't changing. So, is it possible that the AI chambers just don't stretch brass as much? I think that is true. If I were shooting something like a .243 then it would probably stretch to the point I would need to full length size. So it is my personal opinion that multiple factors contribute to the need to full length size or not. I can't afford or justify the cost of having a die made for my chamber - each time a barrel is replaced would mean a new die.

I am certainly not not going to stop neck sizing because some guy I don't know and who can't speak good English said I was crazy for doing it.
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Do you have something against Latino's? Not only is Erik a great shooter and competitor, he also speaks, reads and writes two different languages. How about you?
 
I am going to quit neck sizing.
I am going to quit full length sizing.
I am going to deprime, reprime, fill the case to the neck with powder.
I am going to set the bullet on the powder and shoot.
Any takers on the new program?
 
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