This has been burning my ass for a long time I hope others feel the same way.It also applies to our boy's in blue !Quoting my buddy Bob Depp one morning for breakfast with the Owensboro shooting gang " I don't know how we lost in Vietnam everyone I talked to that was over there was either a sniper or a Navy Seal". Ridiculous !
Stolen Valor
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I didn't read all of the articles ,please explain it's relevance to my point ?
Maybe not on point but reminds me of what a firearms instructor said to me years ago. He said "I've always been a good shot and I always figured that if some guy shot at me I could drop him no problem. Well I was on a vehicle stop that went south and as bullets flew I said f--- this and took cover and just blasted away with my hand sticking over the hood as I shot. On the firing range and in the field is two very different animals."
Agree, what the relevance ?
Some guys put clutches in trucks, some prepared meals, some patched other guys up etc. Thank you for serving. Am I wrong but to me, stolen valor is when you did nothing, then claim you did, and have the threads and lingo to back up your claim to the average person that wants to meet a hero.
Just like having a psychic tell you about your past. Everyone that has had that done ends up being something special, a great warrior, nobility etc. It sells better than being told you collected piss and sold it to the tannery.
Agree entirely. I don't care if you were a seal or a mechanic. You sacrificed and served our country. I don't think the seal is more of a hero cause the truck he rode in needed maintenance to get him there too.
USMCDOC
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Bob is a A number one guy! You can't ask for a better person!
KMart
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I wonder why none of those types never claim to be a Combat Corpsman or Medic. Those guys are, by far, the bravest and most committed individuals on the battlefield.
Maybe I misunderstood the gist of your post. I was under the impression it was about accuracy of fire i.e. snipers and seals are generally better prepared to engage the enemy. Thus, we would have “won” the war. The article I posted not only accepts the often quoted 50,000 round statistic, but gives reasons why it might not be a completely reliable indicator of competency.
pirate ammo
Guaranteed to take the wind out of their sails
Could be because closing up a sucking chest wound is more difficult to explain than just saying you blasted everything. There's a few us of on here that can explain it.
Dusty Stevens
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I have met a lot of “seals” over the years. Some weigh 350 now. But over the past 5yrs or so you wouldnt believe how many add in “team 6” now.
To me the most egregious example of stolen valor was from Lyndon B. Johnson. He received a Silver Star for taking a short airplane ride on a bomber during WWII. His plane did not complete the mission because a generator on one engine went out and the plane had to return to base. He had "bummed" a ride as a Texas reservist to enhance his political ambitions. Not only did he not "earn" the Silver Star, but he added insult to injury by wearing a minature version on his lapel while serving as President. He was my Commander-in Chief while I was in the Army. No, I was not a scout sniper, Navy seal, ranger, or Silver Star recipient. I was a personnel officer at Ft. Campbell, Ky. If you don't believe this story about the scumbag Johnson….look it up.
shoot4fun
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I've spent a fair amount of time in the Owensboro area in my time with the firearms industry. This thread makes me chuckle, not because stolen valor is funny, because your observations are very true. One local GS type, on our first meeting, had to tell me all about his long range prowess and how he was "almost" a Marine sniper. And, true to your observation, he was not the only one around there who gave similar stories.
I was a REMF payroll clerk and I never saw GO PAYROLL as well but I do know nobody goes without money or supplies
.A study was conducted interviewing bartenders asking what are some of the common pick up lines over heard."I was a Navy Seal "was one of them.I was not in the military but I get a nervous tick when some guy tells me he made a shot from 1.5 miles in Vietnam back in 1975
DaveTooley
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Anybody that just has to tell me about their shooting skills will in all likelihood never show me their skills or lack there of.
Same goes for military service.
Same goes for military service.
We didn't lose the Vietnam war. The politicians lost it after we had won.
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