Pros/Cons to gluing an action

[Boisblancboy]

Could someone explain the advantages and drawbacks of gluing in an action?

How do you removed a glued action? Once a glued action is removed what’s steps need to be taken on the stock and the action to re-glue it?

 

[geo.ulrich]

I have both its easier to get stress free bedding with a glue in. that being said I prefer screw in its just harder to get it and KEEP it stress free. they can be unglued with a clothes iron and barrel in a barrel vice just heat action it will fall off after 10 or so minutes. to reglue just grind out most of the old glue and glue it back making sure action is level and straight....

 

[varget204]

Never heard of glueing an action to a stock,If your going to glass bed a barreled action,recommend epoxy pillars front and rear,them epoxy w[DEVCON ] the action,Johnson's paste wax or clear shoe polish are great release agents,Many sites list procedures for bedding a barreled action

 

[gilmillan1]

Gluing more accurate.

 

[Dusty Stevens]

Its all in what youre doing with it. Glue ins are the most accurate. Its handy to be able to do it yourself if youre one of those guys that have to tinker with stuff. If all you need is 1moa dont worry about it. Its not going to make a hunting rifle shoot benchrest groups

 

[comagutsa]

My panda has been glued in my McMillan f class stock for 3yrs now without a problem.. never had to take it out.. I use and internal action wrench when I need to swap barrels ..

 

[BoydAllen]

I have never had a reason to take a glue in out of its stock. The trigger comes out with it glued in. What other reason would there be to take one apart?

 

[Dusty Stevens]

I have never had a reason to take a glue in out of its stock. The trigger comes out with it glued in. What other reason would there be to take one apart?

People love to tinker. I give em a hard pull every once in a while. If it needs to be reglued youll hear it pop. I have some that have been glued in since the 90’s (round bottom remingtons too). I think a lot of heat like in a locked up trunk in the summer will break em loose sometimes

 

[The Pumpkin]

Almost any Airline can unglue a action from a stock for you.

 

[Raythemanroe]

You can't get a better fitting bedding job than a properly glued action.

Ray

 

[dcali]

Benefits: it’s glued in and not going to move. Down sides: it’s glued in and not going to move.

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

My first choice will likely always be, glued and screwed. Why...because glue only fails at the worst possible time! Lol! Really, glue is fine for many years, most of the time. The only time it's not...is when it's not.

Curiously, when I was doing vibration testing for tuners, I had a glued and screwed gun that we tested both ways. We tested and measured frequencies, then I removed the screws and scope..and laid an iron on top. It came out nice and clean. I then screwed it right back in at the same torque setting....just a good bedding job at this point. It shot fine both ways but at different tuner settings and the frequencies measured at the muzzle were a bit different. It's a joint in the system..No matter what you do short of unitizing parts by welding or gluing, there is movement. The movement is at high frequencies, that I don't think hurt us or simply get lost in the noise. Nevertheless...all else equal, the muzzle vibrated at a different frequency as opposed to being glued and screwed. FWIW--Mike

 

[dcali]

My first choice will likely always be, glued and screwed. Why...because glue only fails at the worst possible time! Lol! Really, glue is fine for many years, most of the time. The only time it's not...is when it's not.

Curiously, when I was doing vibration testing for tuners, I had a glued and screwed gun that we tested both ways. We tested and measured frequencies, then I removed the screws and scope..and laid an iron on top. It came out nice and clean. I then screwed it right back in at the same torque setting....just a good bedding job at this point. It shot fine both ways but at different tuner settings and the frequencies measured at the muzzle were a bit different. It's a joint in the system..No matter what you do short of unitizing parts by welding or gluing, there is movement. The movement is at high frequencies, that I don't think hurt us or simply get lost in the noise. Nevertheless...all else equal, the muzzle vibrated at a different frequency as opposed to being glued and screwed. FWIW--Mike

Here’s the subtle thing - it doesn’t even have to move to vibrate differently. If the interface between the two parts is stiffer or more compliant, the frequency will change. One is not necessarily worse than the other, but assuming they’re both solidly put together and not moving, they’ll still be a little different.

 

[IdahoSharpshooter]

varget204,

go to a big BR match sometime. 90%+ will be shooting glueins.

 

[Dusty Stevens]

varget204,

go to a big BR match sometime. 90%+ will be shooting glueins.

I bet its more than that rich- i know in short range br you wont even hardly find a remington thats not glued in. Of course some guys have non-br gunsmith build their first rifle and most of those are not glued in until the first barrel changeout

 

[Al Lu]

Sorry to ask but what kind of glue for are they using ? Only one kind/brand? I don't work on guns just curious.

 

[Dusty Stevens]

Sorry to ask but what kind of glue for are they using ? Only one kind/brand? I don't work on guns just curious.

Most use jb weld.

 

[mikeeg02]

I guess I must just be missing out on the accuracy then. Mine are all pillar bedded.

The one stock has shot 3s, 4s, 5s at williamsport matches (10 shot groups for those that dont know) and just placed 3rd at the ridgway two day championship match, and it's been a consistent shooting rifle there.

Another stock I only shot at 1k paper once and it shot a 4.88" at the world open last year. It is also a 12# silhouette gun.

My other stock is currently leading the group agg (I'm sure at least until I post this lol as I just jinxed myself) in light gun at williamsport.

Do I like to tinker? Not really, but I'm still just finding my way, what I like, and finding things I think can help my form. So sometimes the action needs to come out of the stock, and sometimes it's late in the night right before a match. The guys I know who are usually at the top of the aggs at williamsport are also pillar bedded. Everyone that I regularly shoot with is the same.

Sure is nice knowing I can switch things around in a matter of minutes if need be or take an action, and everything out for a cleaning if you pull a bullet or similar.

But everyone has their own preferences.

 

[Raythemanroe]

I guess I must just be missing out on the accuracy then. Mine are all pillar bedded.

The one stock has shot 3s, 4s, 5s at williamsport matches (10 shot groups for those that dont know) and just placed 3rd at the ridgway two day championship match, and it's been a consistent shooting rifle there.

Another stock I only shot at 1k paper once and it shot a 4.88" at the world open last year. It is also a 12# silhouette gun.

My other stock is currently leading the group agg (I'm sure at least until I post this lol as I just jinxed myself) in light gun at williamsport.

Do I like to tinker? Not really, but I'm still just finding my way, what I like, and finding things I think can help my form. So sometimes the action needs to come out of the stock, and sometimes it's late in the night right before a match. The guys I know who are usually at the top of the aggs at williamsport are also pillar bedded. Everyone that I regularly shoot with is the same.

Sure is nice knowing I can switch things around in a matter of minutes if need be or take an action, and everything out for a cleaning if you pull a bullet or similar.

But everyone has their own preferences.

Doesn't mean it couldn't have been better


Ray

 

[mikeeg02]

Doesn't mean it couldn't have been better


Ray

That may be so, but that's not a gamble I'm willing to risk. Like I said, everyone has their preferences, but a good pillar bedded rifle will shoot, and consistently.