Please help with 6.5 gap

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  1. Just4fun

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    So I’m having a lot of trouble with my 6.5 loads I’m using the Redding type s comp die and a .295 bushing and loaded rounds are .297 and I’m getting inconsistent seating depth and really really hard seating to the point that my seating die is denting in the Bullets when seating them and when I go to try to pull them it takes two hands on my press to get the Bullets out.
    I have tried everything I can think of from new brass to once fired to anneling them and still same problem
    But the weird thing is my friend has the same die and he can load my ammo in his die with no problems
     
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  2. Just4fun

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    Here is a pic
     

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  3. Lone Hunter

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    Are you by chance crimping or trying to crimp the bullet. It looks like there is a crimp on some of them. It might be the picture but it looks like a crimp to me. You also might want to check the bushing and make sure it does measure .295. Some have been mismatched before. The neck could be sized more than .002 and it would have to be to ring the bullet. Looks like a VLD bullet and you need the VLD Seater stem for them.
     
  4. chromatica

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    What is your neck wall thickness? .297 - .264 = .033 for total thickness. Are your neck walls .0165?
     
  5. whatwind?

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    Add an expander ball to the die also, .262 in case necks aren’t all consistent
     
  6. JLT

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    I think Lone Hunter is right - looks like you're running into the crimp ring while seating. The round on the right in your photo sure looks like a heavy crimp has been applied. Back your seating die off a few turns and adjust your seating stem and see what happens.
     
  7. Just4fun

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    I have backed the die off and it’s not crimping the weird thing is I can take a piece of brass my buddy ran through his resizing die and it seats perfect and then take one with my die and it dies this.
    And his bushing is .292 and mine is .295 so you would think his would seat harder
    i don’t get it. I have even called Redding and they were no help either. I thought my die was bad somehow but don’t see how that can be
     
  8. Just4fun

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    And I have run them all through an hour expander die also after they were resized and still had the problem
    I’m at a loss here on this one
     
  9. Ringostar

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    As was already mentioned. Check the inside diameter of your bushing. It could possibly be mismarked.
     
  10. whatwind?

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    whats your loaded neck diameter?
     
  11. ngb1787

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    i would also consider running a mandrel thru the necks the day of reloading along with going up a size on ur neck bushing if not two sizes
    nick
     
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    also try dropping a brand new bullet thru an untouched fired case, if the bullet doesn't slip into the case then you need to turn your necks,
     
  13. David Christian

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    @Just4fun, totally random thought, but do all of your components match? .264 bullets? 6.5x47 or creedmoor? Brass match the die chambering?
     
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    This is why I never use seaters with built-in crimp... If I want to crimp, I"ll uses a Lee FCD separately for those rare instances where I think it's value added.
     
  15. Just4fun

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    Ok so loaded is .297 and yes my bushing is measuring.295
    And no they are not crimping and I have run they through a expander mandrel right before I load them like I said I have tried everything I can think of.
    I can take a brass from my buddy’s die and one from my die side by side and load them and his loads perfect and mine dent the Bullets.
    I’m using 7 saum norma brass necked down to .295 for the 6.5 saum and I’m shooting the Berger 156 Bullets .264 cal
    I’m not new to reloading I have been doing it over 20 years and I’m using quality components
    I’m using the auto trickler and the Redding type s competition dies and I also use them on my other calibers with no problems.
     
  16. whatwind?

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    Hmmmm, better steal your friends die

    what are you loading the 156 with, h1000, rl 26?
     
  17. Just4fun

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    H1000 it shoot 1/4” groups at 100 with the brass he resized for me and like 3/4”
    With the ones I resize
    He said he would sale me his die for 3000
     
  18. Texas10

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    I had the same problem with some new 6.5 CM brass, switched out the seating stem to one with a better fit, not much help.

    Ended up dry lubing the inside of the necks and that fixed it. Shot those then left the carbon in the necks for the next loads.
     
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  19. Bill K

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    Maybe I missed it, but what do your buddies necks measure, compared to yours ? Are the neck thickness's the same ? Sounds like you need to trim your necks.
     
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  20. chromatica

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    When you reform 7mm brass down to fit a 6.5 bullet, the necks become thicker. Sierra recommends that you ream the inside of the necks after reforming brass like this.

    If you are using the Redding Competition die, the case rides in a chamber that moves up and down as the case and bullet are mated. Sounds like the neck portion of the sliding chamber is too narrow to accept your reformed brass + bullet.

    The Forster Original Case Trimmer accepts an optional reamer bit for bringing your neck thickness back to normal.
     
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