I just wanted to comment on the Otto Noise Barrier hearing protection. After some discussion on another thread and recommendation by Norm Matzen, I bought a pair of them. These days I mostly shoot shotgun and need the ability to converse as well as have protection. My hearing is bad enough that hearing aids are a must for normal conversation not just a convenience. That being said, these Otto's are absolutely the best thing I have come across yet. I've had two pairs of ESP, 1 Sound Gear, and tried the Etymotic GSP15. I can't get a good seal with the ESP's and the other two just didn't give me what I needed. They either blocked the noise and communication suffered or the communication was good but didn't block enough noise. Also the GSP15 has such a small little button for changing the program, that it can't be done with gloves on. I have had a lot of trouble getting a seal on every in the canal instruments I have ever had. All I can say is thanks Norm!