National Record X-Counts - Can someone explain?

[MikeMcCasland]

I'll preface this by saying I'm genuinely ignorant, and this isn't a loaded question. That said, I've seen some national records of 200-22x or 200-23x, and I'm curious how is it possible to shoot better than a 200-20x? They counting sighters or shots from the last relay?

Amazing shooting either way.

 

[Jdne5b]

Once you have 20x for score, You keep shooting until you miss the x ring.

 

[memilanuk]

You keep shooting until you shoot something other than an X, or your time runs out.

Note, this only counts in *registered* tournaments - you can shoot a 200-30X in a local club 'approved' match and it doesn't count as anything special (good job, though! )

It also only counts if the match program is written so the string is a match in and of itself. A case in point would be where you normally have a Palma + 20rd 1k string. The Palma course (45 record shots) is one 'match' and the 20 rd 1k string is another 'match'. The individual 15 shot strings @ 800, 900 & 1000 that make up the Palma course are not individual matches in their own right... so if you shoot a 150-15X @ 800, you stop, and don't continue firing as it isn't a 'match' where you can set a record for shooting a 150-18X (or whatever).

It is possible for the match director to write and submit a match program that has 800 as match 1, 900 as match 2, 1000 as match 3, the 1k 20 shot as match 4, the Palma agg as match 5, and the daily agg as match 6 (for example), and *then* you could shoot a 150-19X @ 900 and have it count as a national record - if it's recognized by the NRA as something they recognize records *for*, which is a separate bugaboo...

 

[MikeMcCasland]

Appreciate the quick answers guys.

This is a scenario I'll never personally encounter, but it makes sense.

 

[rardoin]

I'll also add that the 'X's beyond 20 are not counted in the match score...only for National record purposes. Max score will still be a 200-20x for that match when the agg is tallied.

 

[Matthew Schwartzkopf]

You keep shooting until you shoot something other than an X, or your time runs out.

Note, this only counts in *registered* tournaments - you can shoot a 200-30X in a local club 'approved' match and it doesn't count as anything special (good job, though! )

It also only counts if the match program is written so the string is a match in and of itself. A case in point would be where you normally have a Palma + 20rd 1k string. The Palma course (45 record shots) is one 'match' and the 20 rd 1k string is another 'match'. The individual 15 shot strings @ 800, 900 & 1000 that make up the Palma course are not individual matches in their own right... so if you shoot a 150-15X @ 800, you stop, and don't continue firing as it isn't a 'match' where you can set a record for shooting a 150-18X (or whatever).

It is possible for the match director to write and submit a match program that has 800 as match 1, 900 as match 2, 1000 as match 3, the 1k 20 shot as match 4, the Palma agg as match 5, and the daily agg as match 6 (for example), and *then* you could shoot a 150-19X @ 900 and have it count as a national record - if it's recognized by the NRA as something they recognize records *for*, which is a separate bugaboo...

Monte, I thought the NRA no longer recognizes new 15 shot string records?

 

[memilanuk]

Monte, I thought the NRA no longer recognizes new 15 shot string records?

TBH, I lost track of what they do and don't recognize any more. I know we used to have some matches up here that were set up with each yard line as a dedicated 'match', for the express reason of setting some records that were otherwise neglected. Maybe the NRA closed those 'loop holes'.

 

[flintcreek6412]

15 shots are Fullbore matches.

Also, they should be entering the NRs as 200-20x +2

 

[Cburlette]

The rules allow you to continue shooting after time runs out until you shoot something other than an X.

Craig

“You keep shooting until you shoot something other than an X, or your time runs out.”

 

[memilanuk]

Craig's post spurred me to look up the actual language in the rule book, and he is indeed correct:

9.7 Continue to Fire—Competitors who fire a perfect score (all X’s where same are used) in an individual match will be given an opportunity to continue to fire to provide a means of breaking ties and establishing National Records over those courses for which National Records are recognized.

(a) In slow fire, should time expire and additional time is needed, all targets will be put back into the air immediately after confirmation by a tournament official that the competitor has yet to fire anything other than a perfect shot. Firing time and firing conditions will be the same as for the match in which the perfect score was fired. Firing will continue until a hit is made outside the ring of highest value (i.e. X-ring). All additional shots will be recorded on the reverse side of the score card but will not be included in the match total. For example, if the competitors fires 23 consecutive perfect shots, the match total will be recorded as 200- 20X plus 3X.
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I will say that in F-class, most people shoot at a fast enough pace that if they're going to be threatening a record like that, they've done so well before the time limit comes into play. Also, with all the general farting around of targets getting pulled down, then put back up, and the confusion likely involved... the odds of continuing a perfect string go down dramatically.

 

[Medic505]

general farting around of targets

E Targets can fix all that! Or so I've been told...… Flame on!

 

[memilanuk]

E Targets can fix all that!!

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