Discussion in 'Reloading Forum (All Calibers)' started by Charles Entsminger, May 23, 2020 at 8:30 AM.
Getting 4 shot in one ragged hole then throwing one shot out to left. Any suggestions.
nerves It is that fifth shot voodoo. lol
Magazine fed? Or single feeding?
Whenever I get those results I shoot a few more 5-round sessions (with the same load) and see if it repeats itself. Could be a shooter-induced fluke, maybe a wind gust that was not noticed. But I would shoot that load again to verify it.
It can be any number of things but if you've exhausted load variables to your own satisfaction, try a different bullet in it.
I just ran into this again on a new build. I tried my best to make it like the bullets I'd been shooting in several different barrels and it have proven to be an excellent bullet for myself and many others, for several years now. This barrel just doesn't like that bullet, for whatever reason. It would shoot tiny every once in a while but mostly was giving me groups of 3 and 2 or 4 and 1s. Tried a couple of different bullets and it instantly got rid of the fliers. Moved the tuner a mark or two and BAM... there it was. Settled on yet a different bullet and it shoots exceptionally well now. I still shoot that bullet in a couple of barrels and there is no problem with the bullet at all.
Of course this assumes you're using flags and have tried other loads and even powders..seating depths, etc.
try shooting the groups and have POI where you can't see the group. Or if using Etarget don't look at screen to see groups forming.
Was the shot off to the left the cold bore shot?
If you're not using wind flags, get some. They don't have to be elaborate. You will be surprised how much wind is out there that you don't notice...but your bullet does!
Whenever I get four in and one out of the group, at least when at 200 yds or less, I assume the load still isn't right. At 600 or 1000 conditions can easily cause that.
The simplest answer is to shoot 4-shot groups .
When you observe this behavior, the most difficult thing, IMO, is to decide whether the flier was caused by you, or the load itself. There are various ways to reach a conclusion such as simply firing lots of groups, recording which shot number was out (i.e. random fliers are probably the load, the first or last shot of the group being out consistently may well be the shooter), etc. Look carefully at the statistics and you can usually make a good estimate of whether it's the load or the shooter. If you decide the load is at fault, seating depth testing can often get it dialed back in. If the bullet design/manufacture itself is the cause, no amount of load tweaking will likely fix the problem and switching to a different brand or type of bullet may be the only way to correct the issue.
Like the others say it could be many different things. Bedding ? Recently i ran into problems from using cheap rings, i switched to talley rings and glass bedded them to the action- problem solved. i also discovered my primer seater was bad, bought a new one- problem solved. Lesson is you really have to look extra carefully at the tiny details in order to identify them. Good luck.
I see people say that "they" caused the flyer. I am always puzzled by this. When shooting from a bench I never cause a flier. It's always the load at closer range, and at longer range its the load and/or conditions.
I see lots of novice shooters look for the fall of each shot and often in so much of a hurry it affects good follow through procedure.
Many times I have instructed them to count to 3 after the shot AND not look for the fall of the shot.
The result is groups are normally halved or better.
A different bull can help break these bad habits like one with a small white aiming point surrounded by a good amount of black so close up or spotting scope target inspection is required to see the group.
No, i always shoot fowlers.
5th shot its 99.9% of the time the shooter’s fault
You’re better then me. I screw up shots at the bench all the time.
^ my thoughts too. I spend a lot of time thinking about and trying to manage my "bench manners" and every match I shoot I realize I still have room to improve in that area. While I prefer long range benchrest, I appreciate my few years in short range BR because it really opened my eyes to the role of "bag handling" in consistently shooting good groups and more importantly good aggregates.
Take a Piece of paper & plot each shot, determine which # shot is off. as dusty said, if it is 5th shot, probably shooter error,can also mark case from flier & check case later at home for differences,may need to cull that case
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