IBS Target Question

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  1. Oldbones

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    Does IBS allow scoring by any of the electronic target systems?

    Thanks in advance!
     
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  2. rsmithsr50

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    for what type of shooting/what distance ?
     
  3. Oldbones

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    Thank you, I should’ve provided a little more background. Our club is looking at electronic targets for all disciplines. We have a 600 yard range. I’m unfamiliar with IBS and any help is appreciated.
     
  4. Wooten

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    I hope some of the experts will chime in, but I'm going out on a limb and say NO !

    I know nothing about electronic targets, and Ive never shot them. I'm just not sure that accuracy wise, the electronic targets are up to par. When 600 yard guys are shooting a 1.2" agg over 4 targets, or when the top 10 group shooters all agg under 2" for 4 targets, then measuring the targets has to be down to the thousandths.

    Not trying to start a pissing match with anyone, cause God knows, they could measure my targets with a yard stick and it wouldn't matter
     
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  5. sdean

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    No..
     
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    Wooten
    Are you sure a yard stick is big enough for yours??
     
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  7. rsmithsr50

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    between holes, not actual group!

     
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    Seth, we've seen you lay down plenty of tiny little bitty groups!
     
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    Bkluke Gold $$ Contributor

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    This from the long range rule book
    • Electronic Scoring Systems will not be used in IBS Registered Tournaments until approved by the IBS
     
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  10. Oldbones

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    Thanks everyone for your feedback.
     
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    1 millimeter accuracy is .039". That is a chasm in short range benchrest, and getting so at 600 yards. Even at 1000 yards, separating the top groups and scores is becoming more challenging. There may be a day when electronic targets become accurate enough for our sport. But not now. I won't say never given how technology is advancing.

    Jeff Stover
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  12. Joe Salt

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    Jeff I know there have been people DQ'ed for not having them all on paper! With electronic targets you would know that you hit the target 10 times, even if there was double that was too close to tell by looking. The targets can still be measured to ensure accuracy. And it should tell you were to look for the double.

    Joe Salt
     
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    Raythemanroe Bullet Whisperer Silver $$ Contributor

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    True, it could help by needing less pit crew help. It would also aid the shooters at the bench not to mention count the shots on paper.. Still useful even if you keep the scoring room.


    Ray
     
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  14. Joe Salt

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    Ray I'm talking about without pits!

    Joe Salt
     
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    If you think an Etarget has never missed a shot then dream on. If you have a target to be measured then you still need to change every relay and keep up the Etargets system. I must be missing something. Seems like more work.
     
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  16. Joe Salt

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    Didn't mean to ruffle your shooting bag but I heard that at least they can count shots, I know for sure the one mile cameras count them very well. But it was just a thought to try and help.

    Joe Salt
     
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    As of today, they're not allowed for or the reasons Jeff posted. Heck I've seen 1000 yard aggregates decided by less than 10 thousandths.


    I believe to make them allowed, but not mandatory ($$$$ reasons)"in addition to" would probably be a wise choice to pursue. It would seem to be a win win used the way I'm thinking of. You have an additional shot "counter" in the event of a double tap as Joe mentioned. You have the ability to pursue live (unofficial) scoring. And you have official target paper, and humans measuring to compare the "official" results, which should/could help with technology to make affordable e target's the best they can be....Basically a continuous test of e target accuracy.


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  18. Stan Taylor

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    Of course you know that the GBA is going to allow e-targets and I'm looking forward to see how they work for Dead Zero and a long with the E-targets that Harry Jones is going to have to test the flexibility in relation to hard targets it very well may be a thing of the future granted if you shoot a world record they will be some discretion but we need to learn the deal with certain things if clubs want to make it a better situation the word there's no pit Crews involved I don't know the right answer but we got to be able to work together and see if it is something that will be interesting to our sport.
    P.S. The E targets can have there own electronic records as a club record for electronic target's it will definitely be interesting to see how it transpires.
     
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    Just thinking how nice it is when I practice using my camera system. I can see where each shot hits and make adjustments if needed. The camera is like cheating compared to those shooting without a camera.

    Guessing the same can be said for E Targets. To allow something like that would sure change IBS shooting and surely other disciplines.
     
  20. Stan Taylor

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    No sir I think the intent at Harry Jones is going to be they will hang a hard target on the electronic Target because they have a pit crew and they have to hang the rest of the score targets and they're going to compare the electronic side of measurement 2 The Hard Target measurement and it will be interesting to see how that comes into play we definitely need something to compare with the the E-targets when you go to record on a targets you do not have the tablet available to see your hits you're shooting in the blind just like you would on a hard target.
     
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