help indentify and value

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  1. rr1220

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    recent purchase , seller states 1407/1807
     

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  2. Mikey_P

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    Appears to be an 1807 vs. an earlier 1407. The swept back bolt handle and cone shaped rear of bolt are two clues. Value? Hard to say. Maybe $800 - 1200? I'm sure that there are other forum members here that can give a better estimate.

    Mike
     
  3. Thomasconnor

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    Since it is a LH action/LH stock model with side safety it can't be a 1407.

    Given the bolt and trigger and stock, I'm going to guess 1607, a transition model between 1407 and 1807, usually with an X suffix in the serial number. The 1807 stocks I've seen have an adjustable cheekpiece.

    Or it could simply be an 1807 in a modified 1407 stock with LH bolt cutout. Need pictures of the trigger and both sides of the stock. Does the serial number have an X?...Tom
     
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  4. rr1220

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    Serial number ends with X 20200201_013503.jpg
     

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    right side anschutz.jpg
     
  6. Thomasconnor

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    1607 then. I'm not sure if Anschutz ever officially used the 1607 designation as it's a transition model (X) between 1407 and 1807.

    Rare left hand version, no RH bolt cutout, top of the line (current production) trigger, first I've seen in that configuration...Tom
     
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  7. Thauglor

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    Take the bolt apart and post a picture of all the pieces. I am curious as to what firing pin you have in there. The x series rifles usually had the 5071 trigger, which mainly has a different sear than the 5018 to work with the different pin.
     
  8. waltkrafft

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    I want it if you don't. Some models have been brought into the country used, that were never sold here new.
     
  9. Hi-NV Shooter

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    No need to take it apart just post a picture of the bottom of the bolt, if there is a slot running the length where you can see the firing pin it is a 1600 series rifle, I bet it will be solid with no slot making it an early 1807. the trigger is showing an 18 on it making an 5018
     
  10. Thomasconnor

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    The 5018 trigger and 1807 bolt is what makes an X rifle rare. A picture of the bolt would be interesting but as said, it's likely an 1807 bolt given the trigger.

    Lee, The X makes it a 1607, or transition rifle. I suspect you missed that in his reply.

    Being a transition rifle, as I understand, there is no set standard for 1607 as 1607 doesn't officially exist. Let's call it a late transition rifle?

    As stated, the stock is also a transition stock. The 1807 stock has an adjustable cheekpiece. His stock is essentially what was for a RH action, 1407 stock for a LH shooter (as there were no LH Match actions), albeit now with a (transition) LH bolt cutout and adjustable (1807) butt plate. The only LH actioned 1607 I've seen.

    That's my story and I'm sticking to it until Tim say's otherwise!...Tom
     
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  11. Hi-NV Shooter

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    Tom, I didn't miss that it has an X in the serial number. however from what I understand it being a 1980 production which makes it the first year production 1800's there were a few 1800 that were built off the X receiver. someone a few years back on RFC had an example of a confirmed 1800 with an X in the serial number.

    Lee
     
  12. Thomasconnor

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    Sure, but the stock is also pre-1807, the only one I've seen like that. It's a 1407 stock with a LH bolt cutout.

    Where did you get 1980?...Tom
     
  13. Hi-NV Shooter

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    Ok I miss read his post on RA he said purchased new in 1980 so it could be a 1979 (barrel date code should be HK), however the trigger is a 5018, but it could be a 5018 with the 5071 sear catch. only way to clear up what model this really is, and that is for him to post a picture of the bottom of the bolt.

    Lee
     
  14. rr1220

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    No cut out in bottom of bolt
     
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    waltkrafft Gold $$ Contributor

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    I bought a similar rifle last summer. X serial number. Solid bolt. 5018 trigger. Non-adjustable cheek piece. It was recently imported.
     
  17. Hi-NV Shooter

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    Ok Thanks, what you have is an early 1807 and what has been a lot of confusion is the serial number and stock. but more then likely because it is a left-hand action they used a 1607 left-hand stock.

    Lee
     
  18. rr1220

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    20200210_055302.jpg ok guys
    Thanks for the information
    All ready to go out and play
     
  19. Thomasconnor

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    REASONS IT IS NOT AN 1807:

    1) (Presumably) It doesn't say 1807 on the barrel. 1807s are marked as such. Is it marked 1807 on the barrel?

    2) It has an X serial number. Legend has it that X barrels are different than later barrels.

    3) It is not an 1807 Stock. It is a 1407 Stock which was used on 1607 rifles.

    This is an 1807 Stock:

    [​IMG]
     
  20. Hi-NV Shooter

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    .One last question does the 3-numbers stamped on the face of the bolt match the last 3 of the serial numbers?
    this will verify that this is not a parts gun and an very early production 1807.

    Lee
     

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