308 Win 600yd group ?

[JFrank]

Ok I have to ask,... whats a wallet pop??

Oh I was referring to that once in a hundred wallet photo, ya “pop” out fer braggin rights.

 

[BronzeArcher]

I've come to think of a 20 shot score on an F-Class target face as a more meaningful assessment of rifle accuracy than "group size." The 10 ring is a 1 MOA circle, and the X ring is a 0.5 MOA circle. So, a 200-20x is all 20 shots in a 0.5 MOA circle, etc. I haven't seen many of those in F-TR. But there is plenty of match data out there to for comparison purposes.

Here's a result scoresheet from a local F-Class match under typical conditions. There are some very talented shooters and very nice rifles represented here.

http://nebula.wsimg.com/cdf248b9267...F7A435DA842CAC1A4&disposition=0&alloworigin=1

But notice, even among the F-Open rifles, there are no 200s, much less 200-20x. That's real life with a bit of wind. The highest F-TR score is a 196-9x. That works out to be 16 of 20 shots in a 1 MOA circle and 9 of 20 shots in a 0.5 MOA circle. Do that, and you're having a pretty good day with a pretty good rifle.

 

[Lefty Trigger]

Oh I was referring to that once in a hundred wallet photo, ya “pop” out fer braggin rights.

Got it! I know people that actually have those, like the guy that carries the playing card he split in half but don't tell how many shots or at what distance.

 

[D-4297]

I've come to think of a 20 shot score on an F-Class target face as a more meaningful assessment of rifle accuracy than "group size." The 10 ring is a 1 MOA circle, and the X ring is a 0.5 MOA circle. So, a 200-20x is all 20 shots in a 0.5 MOA circle, etc. I haven't seen many of those in F-TR. But there is plenty of match data out there to for comparison purposes.

Here's a result scoresheet from a local F-Class match under typical conditions. There are some very talented shooters and very nice rifles represented here.

http://nebula.wsimg.com/cdf248b9267...F7A435DA842CAC1A4&disposition=0&alloworigin=1

But notice, even among the F-Open rifles, there are no 200s, much less 200-20x. That's real life with a bit of wind. The highest F-TR score is a 196-9x. That works out to be 16 of 20 shots in a 1 MOA circle and 9 of 20 shots in a 0.5 MOA circle. Do that, and you're having a pretty good day with a pretty good rifle.

You took my comment and explained it to the next level . And better than I did . Thanks for clarifying my point . I also believe that assessing a rifles accuracy requires more than a 3 or 4 shot group . Three shots or four shots tell you nothing at 600 yards , unless you are a skilled shooter . And even a blind pig finds a acorn once in a while .

 

[Murray Brook]

And even a blind pig finds a acorn once in a while .

Well put

 

[Scarface26]

Thanks for your replies . I'm just trying to decide if I want to go further with my 308 project . Hitting clays at 600 repeatedly would be acceptable to me . Ned Ludd , I am seeing exactly what you are saying with this factory barreled rifle as it is a consistent .5 moa at 100 yds but much closer to 1 moa at 600 .

Most likely you and not the gear. I've had three different rifles over the years that would routinely group 1/2 to 3/4 out to 600. Some to 800. When I didn't have a great day, it was 100% me.

Spend the money you'd spend on a new stick on ammo and range time. And a new barrel after you shoot the original out.

If my reply ruffled your feathers forgive me, but I've been where you've been and tried to spend my way to success. Hope I can save you some $$ and time. Plus, you'll have more fun and end up a better rifleman.

God bless America

 

[Tempest]

Agree on the FTR score. In a good match we are mid - high 190's at 600 yards.
So that's 20 shots for score, most are within 6" group.

On a really good day. Half are X's. Happy with that for TR.