.308 + Varget + where to go?

Discussion in 'Reloading Forum (All Calibers)' started by dc.fireman, Nov 25, 2019.

  1. SPQR70AD

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    Most of the posts I see here on this thread are not about a thousandth of an inch or winning a championship. you are correct about bench rest shooting and your style has to be adhered to. But how many shooters compete in bench rest out of all the shooters? Black Hills makes some of the most accurate ammo in the world with crimped bullets. If you are worried about deforming a bullet with a crimp what about the rifling cutting grooves in the bullet at 60K PSI with the tremendous heat from the powder burning? What I stated has nothing to do with bench rest being it is way to anal for me lol. I truly respect the guys that do it and their passion.
     
  2. Rdlningcltchdmpr

    Rdlningcltchdmpr Gold $$ Contributor

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    It is just as easy to do the reload's correctly as doing them incorrectly. It seems many guys want to go bang bang bang with no regard for barrel life or accuracy. If you look at the original post you will see i am trying to teach (not )i repeat (not) be anal . not overtesting not wasting components not ruining barrels. Seems like you got it backwards. As for seven types of powder , a person might get lucky with the first or second type . And you would be foolish to test any after that. The point is really that powder type is what makes a great load and going up in .1-.2 grain increments and five of each and firing all just because you loaded them is a crime against a good gun. I have seen fools ruin good guns by overtesting .and they still don't get really good groups. Easy-smeazy is my load method. Within only a small number of shot's i am getting great accuracy. Who could not like that ?
     
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  3. SPQR70AD

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    without a doubt your method is excellent and when you said you might find the right powder the first or second one that is what I have found. I misunderstood you and thought you were the one wearing out barrels and wasting powder lol. Sorry about that. To me the 308 is the easiest round I ever loaded for and if one powder is good for a certain rifle you can bet it will be very good in any other 308 maybe not the very best but a good starting point.
     
  4. dc.fireman

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    Update:

    tested 20 @ 200 yds. - they held the 10 & X ring. Ran the other 10 over the chronograph: everything from 2720 - 2780's. The spread is a lot larger than I'd like. Went home and checked the overall length again, and they're jammed .020". I'm going to back them down .030" and see what happens. The funny thing is, even jammed, they shot really really well.
     
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  5. Papa Charlie

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    I shoot .308 for F-Class at 500 yards.
    Reload recipe:
    LAPUA LRP
    BERGER 185 JUGS
    Seated 0.010" OTL
    VARGET 42.7 GN
    CCI BR2 Primers
    2670 fps

    This was my last relay from my last competition at 500 yards.

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  6. dc.fireman

    dc.fireman Sling & Irons! Silver $$ Contributor

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    Thanks @Papa Charlie - I'm hoping .010" off the lands will give me the same type of consistency over the chronograph, with the hope that that same consistency translates to accuracy at the 300M line.
     
  7. Papa Charlie

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    Every barrel is different, this you already know.
    I start with powder in 0.5gn increments, 5 rounds each, seated 0.010" OTL
    then when I find the node I test 0.6gn above and below in 0.02gn increments, again at 0.010" OTL and 5 rounds each.
    Then take that load and I test seating depth, starting at 0.005" OTL and increase it in 0.005" increments to 0.030" OTL, again 5 rounds each.
    When you are done, you should be golden. I only test very early in the morning to prevent winds and other environmental conditions from affecting the outcome. I only have 220 yards available so that is my distance for testing.
    Good luck. I have thought about other calibers but I like my .308. Even though I fantasize about changing often.
     
  8. Armourer572

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    H4895 in a Remington tactical, 20 inch barrel, 2600 fps, mild kick, and good to 900m.
     
  9. Armourer572

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    Hornady 178 bthp.
     
  10. TrekUS

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    Interesting, and certainly worth following... don’t you still have to purchase “x” lbs of powder? Asking as I don't know... is it possible to purchase 1/2 lb containers? Thanks!
     
  11. Rdlningcltchdmpr

    Rdlningcltchdmpr Gold $$ Contributor

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    I reload for many different calibers, i have almost every powder and it comes in handy to find what works with what bullet. As for your question , sometimes as you test one powder and it doesn't give great accuracy then you buy the second powder, if that doesn't work great then buy the third - ect. Sometimes you find the great powder on the second or third powder, sometimes it takes more. Example recently, i was testing a new 223 with 40 berger's. I expected n130, n133, n120, lt32, or H322 to be the best however what surprised me was 5744 powder actually worked perfectly , about .150" groups. The other powders were .260- .330". So I've seen this happen over and over for years. One powder will really shine. I hope this advice is helpful and not too daunting.
     

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