109 Long Range Hybrid vs 110 A-TIP

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  1. KS6mm

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    Has anyone done any actual comparison of these two bullets on target and not just on paper? Just curious if the BCs true out to be higher or lower, or how much difference in accuracy there is between the two.
     
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  2. R.Olds

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    I had the opportunity to shot both of them side by side the other day.....only out to 200yds though.
    Rifle was 6SLR / 26" 7.5 5R Bartlein barrel
    Winchester brass
    BR2
    Both loads were 44g 4831SC
    Both the 109's and the 110's were jumped .005
    5 shot groups, the 109's were averaging just under 1/2 MOA. The 110's were under 3/8 MOA.
    I will be taking the A Tips to shoot 600yds tomorrow. The weather looks like it will be crap, so it will be a good test.

    Sorry I dont have chrono data
     
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  3. KS6mm

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    If you don’t mind sharing your results I would love to see how it goes.
     
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    Today turned out to be a tricky day for testing bullets....LOL. Some of the trickiest swirling winds I have encountered, kept me out of the X ring a lot of the day. The wind did calm down for part of 2 strings, then the A Tips seemed to shoot as well as the 115 VLD's I normally shoot. All in all, I cant say they are magic.....maybe the 109's would have been a better choice today.
     
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  5. Sheldon N

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    From my friends who have been shooting both the BC's on the A-Tips are better. I hear numbers in the .310 to .320 G7 range for the A-tips, where the 109's are coming back in the high .290's or maybe a touch over .300 for some.
     
  6. R.Olds

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    I was dialed the exact same MOA as I use for my 115 VLD load and the velocity at the target (600 yds) is within a few FPS of each other. I'm not sure I would give the A Tips a very big BC advantage over the 115 VLD's which I believe is .279?.....anyways JMO
     
  7. Wild Willy

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    Maybe I'm a cheapskate but the A-Tips seem to be way overpriced for a production bullet.
     
  8. JEFFPPC

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    Maybe you should measure some.
     
  9. KS6mm

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    Might just have to purchase a couple hundred of each and do a test after proper load development and see what kind of groups they will hold and how they compare and also see if the increased cost of the ATIP is worth it over the 109 for PRS.
     
  10. Wild Willy

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    Do not currently possess any because of the aforementioned cost. Have a buddy who has some I'll see of he's done a comparison.
     
  11. JasonPeterson

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    Were you referring to the measurement of groups on paper targets? :)

    I'd love to see some pics of groups shot with them between 600 and 1000 yards. That's the measurement that influences my decision making.

    JP

     
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  12. JEFFPPC

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    I was meaning the bullet. They are super, super consistant. Pricey I admit but if your barrel likes them you could save a ton of time not needing to measure and point. Us old guys know time is a very valuable commodity
     
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    The price does't deter me at all. If it is a top class bullet .65 or .70 a piece is probably reasonable. I have seen (and made) plenty of bullets that "measured well" and didn't shoot worth a damn. I am suggesting that there are some things that go into a great bullet that can't be seen or measured. To me, the only test that really matters is the target. I hope they shoot well for some or many -- waiting to see some targets.

    JP

     
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  14. johara1

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    I did measure them and I did shoot them.... both measuring and shooting were very good...... jim
     
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    At a 1000?

     
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    No, haven't been able to, but I never test at a 1000. I do everything at a 100...... I do ok at 1000 though..... jim
     
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    Jim, I have 200 to try, would you advise a seating depth starting out?
     
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    Start into the lands to a square mark (.010 to .015) and back out .002 at a time you should hit it before zero..... jim
     
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    Thank you.
     
  20. KS6mm

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    I bought 2000 109s to try out. Got a good deal on them on a sale for .36 a piece. As long as they are as accurate as the 107 smk I don’t mind paying a little more especially for the increase in BC
     
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