In a Fclass match what distances ideally would you want flags at?
If you had 3 flags to put up
If you had 3 flags to put up
Wind flag location at 600 yard match?
- Thread starter savageshooter86
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The rule book does not answer your question about 3 flags for 600 but it might be relevant
6.9.1 Wind Flag—Wind flags should be displayed at various distances
between the firing line and the targets. It is recommended that the flags be
placed at 200, 500 and 700 yards.
If it is my choice, 600 yard Match
First flag - Firing line
Second - 300 yards
Third - 600 yards
I am sure others my have different choices.
DirtySteve
Gold $$ Contributor
100, 300 and 600. That where I would like them. While shooting it would be difficult to watch one on the firing line.
I think that is why the recommendation is for the 500 yard line so you can see it when you are shooting.
Do you pick the short straw for who gets to run downrange when the wind switches mid-string??
My choice is flags on both sides...
I set a small flag to the left of the bench a couple feet out from the firing line and look at it with my left eye.
I find it very useful when the wind is quick to switch.
dcali
Bullet Maker
It really depends on the range. Wide open, I'd do 100, 300, 500. But throw any trees or hills in, and they can render a flag useless pretty quickly, so you need to adjust accordingly. Flag height is probably at least as important as flag range. Too low, and they do all sorts of weird things.
dcali
Bullet Maker
Ah, but sometimes you can see a change coming on the far flag before it hits the near flags.
What flag height do you prefer and why?
dcali
Bullet Maker
Preferably near the apex of the trajectory, or maybe a little higher. If they get too low the speed is harder to judge, and they tend to get more erratic. But even then, terrain matters. For example, my home range at the Eastern Nebraska Gun Club is basically dug into the ground - the wind often comes in from the right side down a hill, crosses the range, swirling around some ground level features like silhouette berms, and then hits a solid tree line along the left hand side. The flags are tough to read and erratic, although usually not moving too strongly. The American flag back at the firing point (about 20' in the air) is usually pretty consistent and almost always shows a much stronger wind than the (lower) range flags. Ideally, you want a flag high enough to show the predominant wind clearly without being so high that it doesn't show the wind dynamics closer to the ground. Sometimes that's not practical, so you make do with what's there.
That's my take at least. There are a hundred different philosophies on how to read wind, and I'm far from the best at it.
ClassCat
Unlimited
True. But when you pull the trigger on the existing condition that is how the bullet will fly. If you set at 150,300, and 500 you won't get a read on the first 40 and that determines the flight.
On a 200 yard match i set 7-8 flags, but only really pay attention to the first 3. 10, 30, and 50. the back half is if i am trying to shoot really small, .300's and .400's. If it is a .2500 agg condition there isn't anything you can do but hope for the best and read the whole range.
ClassCat
Unlimited
Depends on your set up and the Range. Lets take Ben Avery which is fairly flat.Rules say flags cannot be higher than the bottom of the target frame.I have a March 50 LR. The reticle is in the upper quarter of the scope. When i set flags i can see the last 3 ( which are custom small vanes) in the scope @200
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You can figure it out with any good ballistics app. Don't be fooled though. If you zero your scope at 100 yds and then shoot at a target at 600 yards, the bullet will impact about 6 feet low. In other words, the "drop" will be around six feet, more or less depending on caliber, BC, MV, etc. etc. But most of the bullets we shoot for F-Class will be not impact far off from 6 feet low.
But when you make a scope adjustment to actually hit the bulls eye on that 600 yard target, the bullet does NOT reach an altitude 6 feet higher than the muzzle, even though your intuition might lead you to think that. In fact, most of our bullets fly only about 3 feet higher than the muzzle when traveling down range to hit the X ring at 600 yards.
Ask your ballistics app to output a chart with data every 50 yards out to 600 yards (after inputting specifications for your ammo) and you can easily see exactly how high your particular bullets fly. You may be surprised how low it actually is.
So for most of us, our bullets travel in winds which are between one foot and four feet high assuming a flat range. Most of the wind flags I see at 600 yard ranges are 20 feet up in the air. Go figure.
dcali
Bullet Maker
Simplest way is to use a ballistic calculator and set the zero at the target range. Then look at the elevation at the various distances in between.
It may be overkill, but I normally place a flag at 25 yards, 200 yards, 300 yards, and 400 yds. Also, I place a windacator at 400 yards. I can see all flags except the 25 yard one in the scope. Good shooting....James
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