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Wind drift does not always decrease with increasing MV.

I came across something counter-intuitive while working on a load-comparison tool for my website. I was comparing wind drift for two different loads at various distances and noticed that, past a certain range, the total wind drift between the faster/higher-BC bullet and the slower/lower-BC one began to re-converge. That seemed wrong, so I dug into it further.

What appears to be happening is that once a bullet drops into the subsonic regime, its drag decreases dramatically. Since wind drift is largely driven by aerodynamic drag acting at an angle to the bullet’s flight path, the reduced drag in the subsonic region produces much less lateral deflection. I confirmed this using the CDM model in the Applied Ballistics app. For example, if I calculate drift for a bullet with a BC of 0.311 (such as the 140 Hybrid) at 500 yards in a 10 mph crosswind: a bullet launched at 1000 fps ends up with roughly the same total wind drift as one launched at 2500 fps. That’s a surprising result.

This made me wonder whether, for short-range shooting (around 300 yards), it might be viable to use a heavy subsonic bullet something like a 245-gr .30 cal Hybrid from a .308 subsonic or an 8.6 Blackout. You’d get lower recoil, big holes to break the line, and great barrel life.

However, the problem becomes vertical dispersion. While a subsonic bullet might experience similar wind drift to a much faster load, its drop is nowhere near the same, and its sensitivity to muzzle-velocity variation is dramatically worse. Subsonic loads inherently produce far more vertical spread, which makes them impractical for precision rifle or F-Class use at a distance. So, while the observation is interesting, its probably only relevant for black-powder, or rimfire shooters. In those disciplines shooting faster could be counter productive.

I put together the following color-coded table (green = better, red = worse) showing wind drift in MRAD at 300 yards with a 10 mph crosswind for various BC and muzzle-velocity combinations. You can clearly see that there’s a sub-optimal velocity range where wind performance degrades before improving again.

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I also created a table showing the vertical spread produced by launching a bullet 10 fps slower and 10 fps faster than the nominal muzzle velocity. In other words, it illustrates how sensitive a given load is to MV variation (i.e., its response to SD). What’s interesting is that this sensitivity improves greatly once the bullet is supersonic. My best interpretation is that the higher drag in the supersonic region tends to “equalize” velocity differences: faster bullets experience more drag and shed speed more quickly, while slower bullets experience less drag and lose proportionally less velocity. As a result, MV variation matters a bit less and the flatter trajectory also helps.
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As mentioned above, you can achieve similar wind performance by shooting a bullet subsonic with much less recoil, but the penalty is usually terrible vertical dispersion.

To explore this further, I ran a Monte Carlo simulation on the MR63-FC target at 200 yards using a .22 LR bullet with a G1 BC of 0.14 at 1200 fps and 1050 fps, assuming a 1 mph crosswind standard deviation and a 5 fps muzzle-velocity SD. The subsonic load produced a higher expected score. That aligns with why rimfire match ammunition is intentionally subsonic: it avoids the transonic regime and benefits from the reduced drag variability in subsonic flight.

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If anyone wants to play around with this themselves...
 
Why has the PPC dominated 100,200,300 benchrest for the last 50 years?
Short extremely straight bullets and higher velocity. Most are making their own bullets for a reason.
Quality control. And BBL twist is a factor. How fast are you spinning the projectile in rpm? PPC 13.5 to 14 twist. Hard to argue....
JMO...
Pic below was shot in June 25, railgun PPC, at 300 yards. Those are 10 shot groups. Very hard to argue.

Not my shooting in the pic. LOL.
 

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Why has the PPC dominated 100,200,300 benchrest for the last 50 years?
Short extremely straight bullets and higher velocity. Most are making their own bullets for a reason.
Quality control. And BBL twist is a factor. How fast are you spinning the projectile in rpm? PPC 13.5 to 14 twist. Hard to argue....
JMO...
Pic below was shot in June 25, railgun PPC, at 300 yards. Those are 10 shot groups. Very hard to argue.

Not my shooting in the pic. LOL.
Your ppc bullet is going way faster then where this effect matters. It is mostly an issue for trans-sonic bullets.
 
There is a reason why .22rimfire match ammo is kept below the speed of sound. Plus whether your wind displacement is 4.5 in or 6 in you need to be aware of the proper number for your cartridge. So the mad rush for an extra 25 fps is kinda crazy. Speed of sound in the 70 degree range is 1126 fps.
 
@cp255 Perhaps I missed it in your discussion, but I'm curious about:

"For example, if I calculate drift for a bullet with a BC of 0.311 (such as the 140 Hybrid) at 500 yards in a 10 mph crosswind: a bullet launched at 1000 fps ends up with roughly the same total wind drift as one launched at 2500 fps. That’s a surprising result."

Ballistic coefficient varies with velocity. It appears your simulations used the same BC at both velocities. If not considered, doesn't this invalidate the results?
 
@cp255 Perhaps I missed it in your discussion, but I'm curious about:

"For example, if I calculate drift for a bullet with a BC of 0.311 (such as the 140 Hybrid) at 500 yards in a 10 mph crosswind: a bullet launched at 1000 fps ends up with roughly the same total wind drift as one launched at 2500 fps. That’s a surprising result."

Ballistic coefficient varies with velocity. It appears your simulations used the same BC at both velocities. If not considered, doesn't this invalidate the results?
The G7 model does account for changes in drag with velocity. A ballistic coefficient isn’t a fixed drag value on its own, it’s a scalar that tells you how closely your bullet’s deceleration matches the standardized G7 reference projectile. The underlying G7 drag curve varies significantly with Mach number, so even when you use a single BC value, the solver still applies much lower drag in the subsonic regime than in the transonic or supersonic regimes. If this weren’t the case, any BC-based calculator would be completely unusable outside a narrow velocity band.

You’re correct that many bullets are published with multiple BCs across different velocity ranges. That isn’t because drag suddenly changes in steps, it’s just a way of improving the fit versus using one constant BC across the entire flight. Custom Drag Models (CDMs) push this even further by directly modeling the bullet’s full drag curve.

In this case, the result is not an artifact of assuming a constant BC. I verified it using the Applied Ballistics custom drag curves for the 140-grain class bullets, and you get the same counter-intuitive outcome: a 1000 fps launch produces roughly similar wind drift to a 2500 fps launch at 500 yards in a 10 mph crosswind. The physics comes from how lateral aerodynamic force scales with time of flight and drag regime, not from holding BC artificially constant.
 
Got it! Thanks, cp255.

That article has some excellent graphs and a very clear explanation:

https://david.bookstaber.com/Interests/2024/04/standard-drag-models-and-ballistic-coefficients/

I am also thinking about my own G7 implementation. Right now I’m using a reference table of velocity (in fps) versus deceleration coefficients, which works, but it means the drag curve is tied to absolute velocity rather than Mach number. For most purposes it’s fine, but it’s not ideal when altitude changes the speed of sound. In that case, a Mach-based lookup table would place the bullet at a slightly different point on the drag curve, which is more physically accurate.

At the moment my solver just adjusts drag by scaling for air density based on altitude. That part is correct, but it doesn’t shift the position on the G7 curve to reflect the new local Mach number. Some open-source calculators skip this as well, but maybe I should convert the table to Mach space and interpolate there.
 
Why has the PPC dominated 100,200,300 benchrest for the last 50 years?
Short extremely straight bullets and higher velocity. Most are making their own bullets for a reason.
Quality control. And BBL twist is a factor. How fast are you spinning the projectile in rpm? PPC 13.5 to 14 twist. Hard to argue....
JMO...
Pic below was shot in June 25, railgun PPC, at 300 yards. Those are 10 shot groups. Very hard to argue.

Not my shooting in the pic. LOL.
Regarding projectile spin in RPM, that could easily be a topic on its own. I’m not sure what velocity you guys are running with these PPC bullets, or what your preferred twist rate and RPM range is.

Have you found a sweet spot for RPM with 6mm bullets?
 
Re, post #2. Lapua used to have wind deflection data regarding their match RF ammo on their web site indicating slower/better,
Even now, many RFBR shooters, when testing/selecting ammo lots where test results are close, pick slowest lot as tie breaker.
 
Interesting discussion. Having shot a lot of smallbore, I know to use subsonic ammo and why. Didn't realize the info. about centerfires, not having shot farther than 1000 yds. and always kept rounds well supersonic.
 
Interesting discussion. Having shot a lot of smallbore, I know to use subsonic ammo and why. Didn't realize the info. about centerfires, not having shot farther than 1000 yds. and always kept rounds well supersonic.
I downloaded this table of mach number (left) vs drag (not sure the units). https://www.jbmballistics.com/ballistics/downloads/downloads.shtml

You can see that the drag starts to rapidly increase around mach 0.9. Probably why you don't want to just be subsconic but a bit slower than that.

0.70 0.1202
0.725 0.1207
0.75 0.1215
0.775 0.1226
0.80 0.1242
0.825 0.1266
0.85 0.1306
0.875 0.1368
0.90 0.1464
0.925 0.1660
0.95 0.2054
0.975 0.2993
1.0 0.3803
1.025 0.4015

1.05 0.4043
1.075 0.4034
1.10 0.4014
1.125 0.3987
1.15 0.3955
1.20 0.3884
1.25 0.3810
1.30 0.3732
1.35 0.3657
1.40 0.3580
1.50 0.3440
 

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