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Why do you guys rarely mention Sierra/Lapua target bullets?

I have always been under the impression that Sierra/Lapua bullets were known for there accuracy but I "rarely" see them mentioned on the forum other than the hunting forum for the Sierra (85gr HP), nothing on the Lapua/Sierra as target bullets.

What gives? Are they no longer considered good target bullets? All i read about is Berger bullets.

What is going on?
 
I have used both types you mention and still do. I think the reason is because these fellas want the most precise bullet that they don't have to sort and weigh and measure ogive's etc etc. They buy the jlk's and hottensteins, andbarts,hillbillys,etc etc etc . They need the best of the best to help their game.I have run the boutique bullets and they do make a difference for sure,however I normally shoot sierras,(they are good bullets) and hornadys and even Remington 50 grain plhps which is nicknamed the poormans match bullet. What ever you have ,use them up and try to climb the ladder to better more consistent bullets and it will change your mind.I hope my opinion helps you out.
 
I'm no expert but bullets are very important.. I have had good luck with Sierra bullets though and think that Berger may have a jump on niche areas.. Find what works in your gun and sort the fliers out.


Ray
 
Just my 2cents, but the lapua bullets I've used in 30 caliber are so consistent in weight and dimension that for any midrange shooting they're hard to beat. Yes I use Berger for long range but I sort them.
 
Here is my 2cents.. Lapua Scenars, especially the "L's" are as good dimensionally as any of the "Boutique Custom" bullets.. The "problem" if you will, is twofold.. 1.) The B.C.'s "generally" lack compared to Berger's and 2.) The cost is a few dollars more>>>not a big deal if you are not competing, however, shooting several thousand per year, can run the bill up substantially!

However, as far as "straight up and down" accuracy, you would be hard pressed to beat a Scenar, in any caliber..
 
Changeling -

Back when Fred Sinclair's shop was a scant 6mi away, I used to benefit from his freely given ( shooting/reloading ) advice.
Fred advised that one could start out w/ Sierra bullets, and move-on to use of " custom " bullets... should the Sierra's come-up short.
Sage advice, that I still use to this day.

In a M-77 .250 Savage that I shot, Sierra 75HPs could not be beat for accuracy & devastating terminal effects on " Soybenus Digestus ".

These days, Sierra 107Mk's can keep up w/ Berger 105 Match VLDs, when shooting my " Deep 6 " wildcat.
Both company's 6mm 95's shoot to the same level of accuracy, to the point that they are in-effect interchangeable ( my gun, my loads ).


With regards,
357Mag
 
Mostly BC-itis, I'd say. Berger usually tops the BC listings, in some cases by a lot.

What a lot of people forget is that while getting the ultimate combination of precision, velocity, and ballistics is really important for long-range high level competition, the velocity+external ballistics bit becomes steadily less important as range decreases and a really accurate combination often trumps everything else at short to medium ranges, shooter skill and wind-reading ability etc, etc being equal of course.

The trouble is that once exposed to 'the ultimate' and tricks like bullet sorting, pointing and all the rest, these things become addictive. A .30 168gn Sierra MK load might shoot into a single hole at 300 yards, but a little voice in the back of the mind says that you still need something with 20% higher BC just in case the SMK sees you leak out that fatal extra quarter inch and drop a point in a sudden wind switch, or you lose out to that guy in the club you're determined to beat this season by a single 'V' ('X' to most people here).

I've got a large consignment of Sierra 7mm 180s lined up for purchase at a very good price compared to Bergers, but most F-Class shooters here won't use a Berger VLD these days never mind a Sierra - they'd go out on the range trouserless rather than give their 180gn Hybrids up.

FWIW, Lapua's bullet design policy puzzles me. There is always one really good long-range high-BC design in every calibre, sometimes more than one ... but the remainder are usually pedestrian. The two completely new-design .30 Scenar-Ls comprise a nice but hardly inspiring 175gn whose claimed BC is only marginally higher than that of the 30 year old 175 SMK, and a 220gn that everybody assumed and hoped would be a competitor to the 215 and 230gn Berger Hybrids, but which has a very modest BC, relatively short and blunt front section, and a HUGE long bearing area that'll generate vast amounts of pressure. With growing interest in the .300 WSM as a L-R competition cartridge here, Lapuas readily available, and Berger Hybrids on back-orders months before they arrive, this bullet could and should have been a rip-roaring sales success from day one. Instead, I don't know anybody actually using it. The 180gn 7mm is 'better' in that sense, but is again generating nil interest and take-up amongst our national level competitors. I've tried the 150 7mm and it generates an awful lot of pressure in my 284 for reasons I don't readily understand, so although it shoots well as a short-range bullet, MVs are very low. The 'L' consistency is fantastic though, but I think there is resistance to paying near-Berger prices for bullets with lower BCs.
 
One of the issues with the Sierra 107-SMK of late (Obama years) has been simply "supply and demand", and can be very hard to find from time to time.
Also in past years, they have been known to very from Lot to Lot excessively (more then the Berger lines typically).
I have partials of 5 Lots that have in excess of +.070" between them, and a couple of those Lot's have excessive variance with in the Lot (+.020").

The Lapua Scenar's are typically some of the most consistent bullets you can buy! But also suffer to "supply and demand" issues at times, plus the price is typically some what higher.

My 2-cents
Donovan
 
Donovan, I just got some Lapua L's to try but when i checked the shank and pressure ring, i found them not to be round…… jim
 
johara1 said:
Donovan, I just got some Lapua L's to try but when i checked the shank and pressure ring, i found them not to be round…… jim

I've yet to buy or give the L's a try..... but Wow, not round is no good..... Thanks for the heads up !.!.!
Bet the Jenke goes nuts on them ?.?.?
 
Changeling: My concern about the SMK's is their lack of consistancy when run through a bullet comparator. All bullets out of the same factory sealed box, and I can have differences of base to ogive length measurements of as much as .017". I have never had this problem with Bergers, so the Bergers are always used in the match's. SMK's are used for less demanding "work". I can open a new box of Bergers with a different lot number & nothing changes. Not the lengths or the seating die adjustment.

I've often said that I believe the reason for the differences is that bullets of the same lot# are made on different machines/ dies, then all funneled into one collection bin at the end of the line. Responses from those close to the industry hotly deny that any reputable manufacturer would ever do this, but when I then ask what is the cause of the differences, I'm met with silence, or am told that the differing lengths do not matter.
 
I've often said that I believe the reason for the differences is that bullets of the same lot# are made on different machines/ dies, then all funneled into one collection bin at the end of the line.

They have to have been you'd think, although Sierra has always denied it as you say. They have got a lot better recently, even if not usually as good as Berger and nothing touches the Scenar-Ls I've looked at so far.

I've been using up a couple of thousand 107gn Sixes that I must have bought somewhere around '96 or '97, in the old cardboard boxes. They came out of the bankrupt stock of a dealer who went out of business (as did many) after the Dunblane massacre and subsequent UK ban on owning most pistols, so could well have been even older. Use them out of the box and they're not great L-R bullets; batch them and I've had very good results in a 6XC. When you look at SMKs of that era, the tips and meplats are very rough and inconsistent, so trimming and pointing are really well worthwhile. Sierra has certainly sorted that aspect of their quality control out nowadays. (I saw somewhere else, on another forum I think, that Sierra seems to expanding the number of models that are factory pointed.)
 
Laurie,

You commented that 150 gr 7mm Scenars create a lot of pressure in your rifle.
I am asking out of ignorance, but at one time 7mm in Europe meant a 0.285 bullet and here in the USA it is 0.284, what is the diam. of the bullets causing the high pressure?
I know military Mauser barrels in 7X57 are cut for 285 bullets.
 
dmoran said:
johara1 said:
Donovan, I just got some Lapua L's to try but when i checked the shank and pressure ring, i found them not to be round…… jim

I've yet to buy or give the L's a try..... but Wow, not round is no good..... Thanks for the heads up !.!.!
Bet the Jenke goes nuts on them ?.?.?

Donovan, They never got that far……… Just what i needed more fire form bullets……. jim
 
johara1 said:
Donovan, I just got some Lapua L's to try but when i checked the shank and pressure ring, i found them not to be round…… jim

Hi johara.
What did Lapua or there distributor say when you reported your findings to them? These are the things that really interest me.
Did the company/distributor reply to you with an explanation and an RMA number to send them back for an exchange on the whole order or WHAT? Where you satisfied?
 

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