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Which Rifle Rest To Buy “Continued”

DngBat7

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So, thanks for everybody’s advise last week. Seems Sinclair is a big hit, and on my way to Florida on a work trip this week I stopped at Randolph machine to see the fulgham rest in person. It’s amazing. The elevation is amazing. No lock, the person showing me the rest put a 30-50 pound weight on it, and the evaluation knob would turn as smooth as butter and was very light to turn, even with all that weight in it. The pulley system is genious, and the swivel top is a huge selling point for me. Suprised other rests do not do that.

So here is my final question before I drop a grand which is a lot for me.

Does anybody have experienc working with a rest like the Sinclair or fulgham with manual knobs. vs a CO-AX. Like a Seb or Farley. I don’t ever know if I will get a chance to try a coax in person, but it does seem amazing to be able to adjust the elevation and wind age with a control arm. I want to by once and cry once, but these are two very different systems and without being able to try side by side, it’s hard to know

Advise is welcome. Thanks again
 
Dan S said:
I want to by once and cry once, but these are two very different systems and without being able to try side by side, it’s hard to know
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Unfortunately, trying them is the only way to know which will work best for you. Don't overlook the Shadetree joystick if you're on a budget.
 
Dan,

I may have missed it in your other thread, but what distance/type of shooting are you doing?

I own a Farley and a Sinclair, and I have a Lenzi on the way.

For score type shooting (where you will be moving your reticle around a large portion of the traget) I think that a Co-ax type rest allows the shooter to move from one point of aim to the next fastest and is an advantage.

For short or long range group shooting I would want the Sinclair.
 
josh shrum said:
Dan,

I may have missed it in your other thread, but what distance/type of shooting are you doing?

I own a Farley and a Sinclair, and I have a Lenzi on the way.

For score type shooting (where you will be moving your reticle around a large portion of the traget) I think that a Co-ax type rest allows the shooter to move from one point of aim to the next fastest and is an advantage.

For short or long range group shooting I would want the Sinclair.
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josh shrum said:
Dan,

I may have missed it in your other thread, but what distance/type of shooting are you doing?

I own a Farley and a Sinclair, and I have a Lenzi on the way.

For score type shooting (where you will be moving your reticle around a large portion of the traget) I think that a Co-ax type rest allows the shooter to move from one point of aim to the next fastest and is an advantage.

For short or long range group shooting I would want the Sinclair.
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I am new to competition. Still figuring out my direction. But I do need a rest. I tried a cheap one, and quickly realized you got what you paid for. So I’m willing to drop the money, but have never had a chance to try a coax like the Farley. Let me ask this and maybe it will answer my question. When using the coax joystick. Is it very smooth to use? Or is looking through the reticle a little shaky? And when you take your hand off the joy stick, does it stay in place?

Thanks Again
 
Dan ,,,dont buy anything untill you actually use both ,,,you obviously have not been to whatever kind of match you plan on competing in ,,,,there is nothing quicker or more convenient than a joy stick rest,,,,ask competitors with these rests and see how good they work,,,,I have a Farley and reccomend them whole heartdly ,,,,the Shadetree joy stick top can be made to work with all brands of rests,,,(Hart-Bald Eagle_Wichita).....Roger
 
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Dan S said:
When using the coax joystick. Is it very smooth to use? Or is looking through the reticle a little shaky? And when you take your hand off the joy stick, does it stay in place?
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A clean, lubed, and properly adjusted joystick rest will be smooth and able to support the weight of the rifle without needing to hold the joystick. Some are smoother than others.

The issue you may find is that at longer ranges, a normal human cannot move the joystick the minuscule amount needed to return to your desired point of aim quickly, whereas the mechanical action of rests like the Sinclair can.

I will try to offer a real world example to maybe clear this up.

On a 100 yard Score target, there is about 5.5" between the X on each of the 5 record targets.
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A coax (joystick) style rest allows the shooter to traverse that large distance quickly, whereas a Sinclair type rest would be slower.

The IBS 1000 Yard Group Record is 1.397". Getting back to your desired point of aim at 1000 would be tough with a joystick, whereas the Sinclair and rests like it excell at making small changes to point of aim.

I would try and figure out which type of competition you are most interested in and attend a match. Introduce yourself as someone interested in the sport and ask some of the shooters if they would be willing to let you try their rests. I think you will be surprised at the number of folks who offer before you even ask.
 
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josh shrum said:
A clean, lubed, and properly adjusted joystick rest will be smooth and able to support the weight of the rifle without needing to hold the joystick. Some are smoother than others.

The issue you may find is that at longer ranges, a normal human cannot move the joystick the minuscule amount needed to return to your desired point of aim quickly, whereas the mechanical action of rests like the Sinclair can.

I will try to offer a real world example to maybe clear this up.

On a 100 yard Score target, there is about 5.5" between the X on each of the 5 record targets.
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A coax (joystick) style rest allows the shooter to traverse that large distance quickly, whereas a Sinclair type rest would be slower.

The IBS 1000 Yard Group Record is 1.397". Getting back to your desired point of aim at 1000 would be tough with a joystick, whereas the Sinclair and rests like it excell at making small changes to point of aim.

I would try and figure out which type of competition you are most interested in and attend a match. Introduce yourself as someone interested in the sport and ask some of the shooters if they would be willing to let you try their rests. I think you will be surprised at the number of folks who offer before you even ask.
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Thank you. That is a answer I needed to understand what is better and why.
 
Here is an other way..... Get a Snclair competition rest and get an other post and wheel and get Butches Co-ax top and you cover everything...... jim
 
urbanrifleman said:
I would suggest a cast iron SLINGSHOT Bald Eagle for $169 and a Shadetree top for $380.
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I won't be doing any competition shooting, (other than against myself). I went the above way and very pleased with it. I was using a different, (read...cheaper) rest and never felt "solid". My rifles now feel very solid and I'm shooting the best groups ever. Now, never having used a, "high end" rest, I can't imagine how much better they would be. But, the fact that those high end rest are coveted by top, serious shooters certainly makes a point. I guess, just trying to say that there are suitable options if a person has to watch thier nickels and dimes.
 
nmkid said:
But, the fact that those high end rest are coveted by top, serious shooters certainly makes a point.
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That being said, there is also a huge cult of cork sniffers out there that insist that "you can't compete without this piece of unobtanium over the top expense gear" when in fact, they get beat all the time by people not using their same gear.
 
I guess one need to define the NEEDS that the rest fullfills and ask yourself why do you need it? I think a lot of this stuff in high end shooting is status. Lots and lots of guys getting BEAT HORRIBLY shooting NEOs.
 
If you let us know your part of the country, we may be able to direct you to a match venue close to you to try several makers rest.
 
nmkid said:
I won't be doing any competition shooting, (other than against myself). I went the above way and very pleased with it. I was using a different, (read...cheaper) rest and never felt "solid". My rifles now feel very solid and I'm shooting the best groups ever. Now, never having used a, "high end" rest, I can't imagine how much better they would be. But, the fact that those high end rest are coveted by top, serious shooters certainly makes a point. I guess, just trying to say that there are suitable options if a person has to watch thier nickels and dimes.
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I've owned more front rests than anyone I know 20 of them, one new Lenzi rest due in this month and all but 3 were joystick rests. I've done super with the Seb's and the Farleys, and I've stunk it up pretty bad sometimes with the same rests. Just because a person upgrades from say a Shadetree to a Neo, don't think that your scores or groups are going to magically get better, because nine out of ten times they are not. One of the guy's up here in Maine that I compete against did just that 2 seasons ago. I said David how do you like your new Neo compared to your Shadetree? He said I don't do any better with it and it cost me a lot more money. I can honestly say that if you shoot SR score, that you'd be a fool not to use a joystick if your a runner like I am. If your a pick and chooser then a non joystick rest will be fine. You said that you don't compete, so a Bald Eagle would be fine if it's just for screwing around trying to shoot small groups. JMO.
 
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