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Spike A

Spike A

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I have a question for you guys and wondering what some of your thoughts are. My buddy has a savage model 112 lrp in a 25-06, he is thinking of selling this to buy a short action, probably starting out with a 22-250 than maybe in a year switching it to a 6.5 something or other... or just keeping the 25-06 and re barreling that in most likely a 6.5x284 or something. He hasnt shot the 25 much but he doesnt like how much more powder it burns through than my 250 especially on those days we go out and shoot 100 rds..he is pretty undecided on what to do so thought we would ask you folks for your thoughts on his dilema.

oh, and this rifle will be used mostly for targets out to 500 and ground hog hunting.

thanks
 
Does your friend reload? if he does

At 500 yards any good 22cal will do the job, 22-250,223rem,22BR and others i am missing.

Most 6mm will work as well 6BR and the improved versions,243win,6 creedmoor,6 CM and agian other 6mm i am missing.

in the 6.5mm area i would stick with 260rem,6.5 creedmoor.Reason being brass can be formed from 308win and that is always around.

Also look into 7mm-08 its getting some much need help from the Berger 140gr hhnting VLD

BUT after all is said and done "You can lead a horse to water,but you cant make him drink"
 
he does, and yes i agree at 500 22 cals can do a decent job, im just a huge fan of 6.5 mm ... i personally am bouncing between creedmore or the 47 lapua.. but hes not sure if he wants to stay long action or not... hes got to buy a scope either way, so i told him to buy a scope we will get is 25 set up and shoot that some those barrels are known for not lasting supper long so if he doesnt like it than can decide to re barrel or sell for short action. right now his main target gun is a 204. in a single shot encore and hes getting irritated going shooting and having to constantly take it off the bench and get completely reset so hes going to be doing something as soon as we can hopefully find him a good deal on a used scope.
 
Theres a ton if cartridges that will shoot good to 500 yards with a good build and quality hand loaded ammo. The world is his oyster on that decision.

If it must be a 6.5mm and you want one that is efficient on powder and has really low recoil for varminting, look towards the 6.5 Grendel.
 
Going from 25-06 to 6.5x284 only increases your bullet choices. Still long action is required, still uses a bunch of powder, still will feel beat up after 100 shots... Not worth the switch effort to me

The grendel sounds like it fits your requirements, but the BR calibers are pretty sweet for ease of accuracy, bench work, and long distance varmints. And a single shot works great at the bench, even for fast follow-up shots.
 
Well if we switch to 6.5s it will be for beyond 500 but he is just looking to 500 right now.. He's leaning towards selling the 25 to buy a short action probably in 250 because he really likes mine he's just having a hard time that bigger isn't always better
 
6.5x284 is a short action case. That was the whole point in the 284 to begin with. The 25cals have to have the worst bullet choices of any cal i can think of. Cross the grendel off your list unless you have a ppc bolt face. Ive always hated the grendel because of the stupid trademark stuff but thats over now. Its not much of a long range caliber in my opinion- its a ppc with an over size bullet in it kinda like a blackout. Solution lookin for a problem i guess.
 
A 6 mm would my choice 6 MM has the best voice of bullets. Many chambers are made. The twist rate is bullet dependent. 6 mm BR would be one of my choices. Very easy to load barrel life is good accuracy is second to none. Larry
 
savagedasher said:
A 6 mm would my choice 6 MM has the best voice of bullets. Many chambers are made. The twist rate is bullet dependent. 6 mm BR would be one of my choices. Very easy to load barrel life is good accuracy is second to none. Larry
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Done and done ;)
 
Though bullet selection for the quarter bore isn't as vast as others, there's plenty out there. For match quality bullets, Randy Robinett (BIB'S) hand swages the best of the best. He makes them in 88 grain and 110 grain. You have numerous choices in hunting bullets.
 
Dusty Stevens said:
6.5x284 is a short action case. That was the whole point in the 284 to begin with. The 25cals have to have the worst bullet choices of any cal i can think of. Cross the grendel off your list unless you have a ppc bolt face. Ive always hated the grendel because of the stupid trademark stuff but thats over now. Its not much of a long range caliber in my opinion- its a ppc with an over size bullet in it kinda like a blackout. Solution lookin for a problem i guess.
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The Grendel is fine to 500 yards. Has more capacity than the traditional PPC because the shoulder is farther forward. He just has to buy a PPC bolt face to add to his Savage Lego play set. Swapping the bolt faces is a breeze.

Though I will admit that the Grendel case performs much better when necked down to 6mm.
 
yeah we both agree if we were going to do a grendal we would do that in our ar platforms. by the looks of it he will be selling it to get a short action gun. is it much of a pain in the ass to ship firearms?
 
If a lot of his decision comes down to the amount of powder burnt in a particular cartridge, and of course let's throw in decent barrel life, go to the .223 for starters. It usually is about 8-10 grains less then the .22-250. My 6mm Competition Match barrels are very accurate with excellent barrel life, this would be my second choice for later. The .223 at about 25 grains per pop is an excellent training cartridge, plus cheap and fun to shoot. 500-600 yard shots are no sweat .
 
Spike A said:
His biggest decision is keep the long action or sell it and buy a short
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Maybe, but thats not what he needs to be thinking about right now. First he needs to decide on a chambering and the bullet he wants to shoot. That way he can calculate OAL so he knows which length action is appropriate. Then worry about selling the action for something else if need be
 
Yes and he's figuring there's not hardly any rounds he wants in long action so he's leaning towards a short action in 243 to start with
 
If he wants to keep the long action, the 6mm Remington is one hell of an all purpose round that can lay down a lot of fire in the varmint fields with light 6mm bullets, then turn around in the fall and dump deer with heavier bullets. Dont see why it wouldn't feed just fine in a long action. I have an all original 6mm Remington bull barrel red pad Ruger M77 that was built in 1968. Very low recoil with the 75gr Sierra HP bullets I shoot at 3480 fps and extremely accurate. One of the most accurate varmint rifles I have ever owned. The 6mm Remmy is one of my favorite rounds for sure.
 
What are you gaining by going to the short action ? 1/4" -1/2 " bolt travel . Big deal , most of the cartridges your listing ( 6.5 s) will benefit from having the long action .
It's better to have the room and not need it ( now ) than to not have it and stuff your bullets so far in the case ,limiting capacity .
Just my 2 cents
 
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