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Which 7mm chambering?

Hi all:

Just picked up a 7mm 1:9 22" barrel blank at a online gunsmith liquidation auction. I have a savage long action with 30-06 bolt face in my safe just waiting to be the next project gun. Wanting to make a medium game hunting rig out of it, with a touch of long range (300-500 yds) in the off season. Will be hand loading, so that's not a big factor.

So what should i have this chambered in?

Thanks for all the help!

-Dan
 
Hi all:

Just picked up a 7mm 1:9 22" barrel blank at a online gunsmith liquidation auction. I have a savage long action with 30-06 bolt face in my safe just waiting to be the next project gun. Wanting to make a medium game hunting rig out of it, with a touch of long range (300-500 yds) in the off season. Will be hand loading, so that's not a big factor.

So what should i have this chambered in?

Thanks for all the help!

-Dan
Could make it a 7x57 to utilize the long action— should get good performance with a modern action.
 
Any idea of the barrelmaker?
One thing to take a chance if you're doing the machine work yourself, another to pay a smith in the hopes the tube will shoot.
Because of the labor cost to fit and chamber a blank, it's a roll of the dice on a barrel of unknown quality.
 
Any idea of the barrelmaker?
One thing to take a chance if you're doing the machine work yourself, another to pay a smith in the hopes the tube will shoot.
Because of the labor cost to fit and chamber a blank, it's a roll of the dice on a barrel of unknown quality.

Haven't gotten the blank yet from the auction house, so I cant confirm barrel maker just yet. My smith and I trade work, so I'm going to have him spin it up so everything will be correct. I honestly got it for a song, so if it ends up not shooting I'll just move on to another barrel blank since I wont have much in this one.
 
I don't know much about the 7x57, I'll have to look into it. I was originally going to do a .280 ai for this build. But this short blank probably wont utilize that cartridge very well from what I've read. I had a .280 rem years ago and really liked it but would that have the same problems as the .280 ai in this barrel length? If it was a short action I would already have it as a 7mm-08, because my wife's is a deer killing machine in that caliber.

Thanks for all the input!
 
I don't know much about the 7x57, I'll have to look into it.

The 7X57 (7mm Mauser) has similar ballistics to the 7-08 Rem in many loadings despite having a larger case and using a bit more powder. It is better suited to the heavier bullets above 150gn than the 7-08 in standard short-action guise though. Many loading manual maximum loads are limited to around 40-45,000 psi because of the number of surplus South American M1895 military rifles around with the weaker 'small-ring' Mauser action. SAAMI standards for factory ammo are a modest 51,000 psi MAP. It can be loaded more heavily though for use in modern actions like yours. Brass and dies are easily obtained and like the 30-06, it is a handloader's dream design, very flexible and easy to get good results. Like the 30-06 it has a longer neck than you find on more recent designs. Like the 7-08, it'll perform well in a short barrel - sound moderated (suppressed) short-barrel rifles of 20 inches or less are the norm here in our deerstalking, and many military users in the dim and distant past had short cavalry carbine versions with 18-19 inch barrels as well as short rifles (24").

This is a real piece of history - developed in 1892, first adopted 1893 (Spain) - and used against the USA in the late 19th century Spanish-American war in Cuba and the Philippines and against the British Empire by Boer republic 'Kommandos' in the 1898-1902 South African War, in both cases with the same Mauser rifle design and with devastating results on doughboys and tommies. As a result, it heavily influenced the US Army to drop the 30-40 Krag and adopt the M1903 Springfield. (Britain would have ditched the 303 Lee for a 7mm if World War 1 hadn't started when it did.) The US .30-03 / .30-06 cartridge was heavily influenced by the 7mm Mauser and can be said to to be a 30-calibre descendant of it. It saw widespread use as a general purpose game and self-defence cartridge in Africa for generations and killed much larger, tougher animals than its ballistics said it should - 175gn at around 2,300 fps in those days. Many South American countries used it as their service cartridge until the 7.62 appeared in the late 50s.

Its survival today in everyday sporting use at the age of 126 shows just how good a cartridge it is - capable of great accuracy, and reckoned one of the best ever medium deer cartridges by some authorities. It still has a considerable following in the UK amongst our deerstalkers. Ruger has chambered it in No.1 and M77 rifles at times for the US market. I have a friend with a mint Number 1 he has had from new and will never sell it. It has taken Canadian elk, moose and one large black bear, as well as many British deer and feral goats.

I have three 7X57s (two Chilean long military and one 1950s classic BSA deer rifle), 7mm-08 and 284 Win F-Class rifles. I like them all and they all do a great job when the rifle is properly set up and good handloads produced. I have a real soft-spot for the old Mauser number though.
 
The 7X57 (7mm Mauser) has similar ballistics to the 7-08 Rem in many loadings despite having a larger case and using a bit more powder. It is better suited to the heavier bullets above 150gn than the 7-08 in standard short-action guise though. Many loading manual maximum loads are limited to around 40-45,000 psi because of the number of surplus South American M1895 military rifles around with the weaker 'small-ring' Mauser action. SAAMI standards for factory ammo are a modest 51,000 psi MAP. It can be loaded more heavily though for use in modern actions like yours. Brass and dies are easily obtained and like the 30-06, it is a handloader's dream design, very flexible and easy to get good results. Like the 30-06 it has a longer neck than you find on more recent designs. Like the 7-08, it'll perform well in a short barrel - sound moderated (suppressed) short-barrel rifles of 20 inches or less are the norm here in our deerstalking, and many military users in the dim and distant past had short cavalry carbine versions with 18-19 inch barrels as well as short rifles (24").

This is a real piece of history - developed in 1892, first adopted 1893 (Spain) - and used against the USA in the late 19th century Spanish-American war in Cuba and the Philippines and against the British Empire by Boer republic 'Kommandos' in the 1898-1902 South African War, in both cases with the same Mauser rifle design and with devastating results on doughboys and tommies. As a result, it heavily influenced the US Army to drop the 30-40 Krag and adopt the M1903 Springfield. (Britain would have ditched the 303 Lee for a 7mm if World War 1 hadn't started when it did.) The US .30-03 / .30-06 cartridge was heavily influenced by the 7mm Mauser and can be said to to be a 30-calibre descendant of it. It saw widespread use as a general purpose game and self-defence cartridge in Africa for generations and killed much larger, tougher animals than its ballistics said it should - 175gn at around 2,300 fps in those days. Many South American countries used it as their service cartridge until the 7.62 appeared in the late 50s.

Its survival today in everyday sporting use at the age of 126 shows just how good a cartridge it is - capable of great accuracy, and reckoned one of the best ever medium deer cartridges by some authorities. It still has a considerable following in the UK amongst our deerstalkers. Ruger has chambered it in No.1 and M77 rifles at times for the US market. I have a friend with a mint Number 1 he has had from new and will never sell it. It has taken Canadian elk, moose and one large black bear, as well as many British deer and feral goats.

I have three 7X57s (two Chilean long military and one 1950s classic BSA deer rifle), 7mm-08 and 284 Win F-Class rifles. I like them all and they all do a great job when the rifle is properly set up and good handloads produced. I have a real soft-spot for the old Mauser number though.

Thanks for the rundown! Great information!
 
Nice write up Laurie. I always wanted a 7x57 but never got around to owning one till a few years ago when I went through a divorce related downsizing. After scaling back I asked myself the question, "what's the one deer rifle I'd really like have that I've never owned". 7mm Mauser immediately came to mind and initially was looking for a Model 70 featherweight but a Ruger #1 popped up for sale locally at a good price. I'm a fan of hunting with single shots anyway so that was that. Of course it gets loaded it with 175gr RN's, they may not be needed for the short range Whitetail around here but figured if you're gonna go with a classic, might as well go all the way with it. Unfortunately I haven't taken a deer with it yet, with the short public land gun season here, most deer I end up harvesting are with a bow (4.5 months vs 2 weeks with a gun), but it's been a joy every time to take it afield.
 
Of course it gets loaded it with 175gr RN's, they may not be needed for the short range Whitetail around here but figured if you're gonna go with a classic, might as well go all the way with it.

A great load! I managed to buy several hundred 175gn Hornady RNSPs here at an excellent price. I've found a very accurate load of Czech manufactured Lovex SO71 (what used to be Accurate-3100 until maybe 10 years ago) that groups very well and matches the original FMJ RN 173gn military load of 2,300 fps in the 29-inch barrel long rifle. That makes the leaf rearsight settings on my older Chilean M1895 rifle just about right to 600 yards. It's only a shame I can hardly see down them for the duration of a 20-round historic arms match!
 
I've had good luck with a .284 in a 26" barrel. Easy to load for and shoots close to 7 mag velocities but with a lot less powder.
 
Honestly anything over a 7mm08 is unburned powder in a barrel that short. That sounds like a green mountain barrel. Theyre the only ones ive seen come that short and last i checked they were like $75
 
7x57, H4350, 140, 150, 160gr bullets. Don't bother with the AI version as fireforming is for the birds. You'd only get another 75fps +- anyway.

I currently have 4 7x57's and they're all acceptably accurate. It's a fun caliber (as are most others). Have the barrel stamped .275 Rigby and buy some Hornady brass. You'll be the talk of the town at the range. :-)
 
If you want a short action cartridge, a 7x47. If long, a 280 ai. For a primarily hunting rifle, the deer won't know the barrel length but it'll handle well in the field. Also, for the stated 300-500 rounds, the target won't care about the barrel length either. It'll be fine. Jmho.
 

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