WHAT HAS THIS WORLD COME TO

[RKS]

I'm happy to see some other perspectives finally come out regarding the current situation.

Some good points:
-Unless you live somewhere like the Alaskan Bush country, shooting is a hobby.
-If you don't like the price, don't pay. (I won't pay $8 for a loaf of bread. I'll make it myself or eat something different.)
-Learn from the experience.
-Don't expect the same behavior from strangers as you do friends and family.
-People who are buying components for the purpose of simply making a profit are not causing any more problem then those who have such a huge supply that they keep unobtainable to others. In fact, the scalpers are at least making them available. More importantly - neither are the cause of the problem.

I get that people are bummed by not having everything accessible at the click of a mouse - we have gotten to be a spoiled society. I personally don't care if 1000 primers are being sold for $50 or $5000. I still have my fishing gear.

Could you imagine what people from the WWII generation would think about the whining we do today? There was a reason why they seldom got rid of anything and were as resourceful as they were.

 

[rr2030]

On the lighter side; we are moving toward socialism. The hoarding and panic buying will soo be over as there will be little to hoard or buy.

I better go panic buy and hoard more fly rods and gear cigars, scotch.

 

[457ciSBC]

On the lighter side; we are moving toward socialism. The hoarding and panic buying will soo be over as there will be little to hoard or buy.

I better go panic buy and hoard more fly rods and gear.

Do you know how much mental anguish and physical pain it causes those poor little hopeless tricked fish......LOL

 

[RKS]

On the lighter side; we are moving toward socialism. The hoarding and panic buying will soo be over as there will be little to hoard or buy.

I better go panic buy and hoard more fly rods and gear cigars, scotch.

Get yourself a Bidet too. No sense wasting money or standing in line for TP. Just make sure you let your guests know what it is for....so they don't mistake it for an eye washing station.

 

[Texas10]

If you want to meet the guys who are stealing Americans blind, go to Wall Street. Meanwhile.....I drove 150 miles to Houston last weekend to meet a couple of very fine gentlemen who traded or sold me primers and powder at last years prices. Both are members here and, like many others here, refuse to take advantage of the current political situation to profit off fellow members.

 

[NateHaler]

Or drinking fountain, or dog bowl refilling station. Having traveled a bit, esp. to Europe, we appreciate a bidet, and are going to have one in our next house. And will probably use it for the intended purpose, and the other two things mentioned if convenient!

Get yourself a Bidet too. No sense wasting money or standing in line for TP. Just make sure you let your guests know what it is for....so they don't mistake it for an eye washing station.

 

[SSL]

I'm blessed with a plentiful supply of most things I will need for a considerable time to come. My best friend had a small 'basement' gun shop where he mainly did special orders for firearms but stocked loading supplies (powder, primers, certain bullets and etc.) as well as .22 rimfire ammo. It also helps that he has been a compulsive hoarder for years. He had a stroke a few years ago and, though he has mostly recovered, lost interest in dealing with the public. I have access to his stock at the prices he paid and am grateful. We have discussed this several times and he says if he was still trying to run a shop he would have to sell what he has at a price point that would both give him a small profit and also reflect what it would cost him to replace what was sold. That is a consideration that seems people forget. It isn't the local gun store owner's responsibility to support our hobbies out of their own pockets.

What individuals sell their 'stashes' for is up to them. I wouldn't like having to pay exorbitant prices either, but it is their property and no one is forced at gunpoint to buy it. Seems like trying to pressure or shame these people to sell at a price we want is a bit like the 'socialism' everyone is so afraid of.

 

[hogpatrol]

From this chair, it's the old Boy Scout motto.....and no, not the one about helping the Girl Scouts.

 

[Bill K]

I for one, like many of us OLDER folks that have seen the world changing and headed for socialism/communist style with the politicians taking over and being in Wash DC and many states, have been and have always been prepared for taking care of family and home.
Have want I need on hand and can continue pretty well, no matter what.
Also have the old style attitude of " A country/mountain boy, can survive" It is the city folks that keep voting for these fools in office, that will really suffer and finally get what they deserve for doing so.
So boy and girls keep your powder dry, lauder stored and sit back and watch.

 

[rockrat]

If you wanted to buy Tesla stock at todays price, would you yell about the price gougers? After all, a year ago wasn't it down to about $350 and taking a stock split and todays price into account, you would be looking at over $4,000 a share for what you could have paid $350 a year ago. Are they gougers, or would you just be paying what the market dictates. If I had to pay $100 a brick,would I? You bet. It would increase my price per box of handgun ammo by $3.50 or a box of 20 rounds of rifle ammo by $1.40. You might quit shooting over those costs, but I wouldn't.
Or if you were at a gun show and somebody walked by you with a Garand in mint conditon, for $500 and you bought it, then later in the show some dealer offered you $1,500, would you sell it for $1,500? Or would you tell the person you bought if for $500 and you couldn't gouge them, so you sold it to the dealer for $500?

 

[NateHaler]

If you want to meet the guys who are stealing Americans blind, go to Wall Street. Meanwhile.....I drove 150 miles to Houston last weekend to meet a couple of very fine gentlemen who traded or sold me primers and powder at last years prices. Both are members here and, like many others here, refuse to take advantage of the current political situation to profit off fellow members.

The creeps who are stealing the wealth and liberty of the USA are the politicians in D.C. and in most of the states. Nobody is forced to deal with Wall Street. Nobody is forced to buy the products or services that they peddle.

But the massively corrupt, ever-expanding government, who doesn't "fund" anything -- taxpayers DO!!! -- will never cease their quest to remove wealth from the people and redistribute it.

As I recall, you were complimentary and welcoming to the incoming administration, so you lean left, which means you're supporting the destruction of the 2nd Amendment. The only protection for the 1st Amendment BTW.

As to the gents who sold you stuff, why weren't you prepared, and why aren't you willing to pay the market prices due to the forces you endorse, i.e. socialism?

And for driving 150 miles (each way), figure 6 hours, plus fuel of course. We value our leisure time at $50-$100 hour. (It's the one thing none of us can buy more of. Priceless, really.) So, if I drove to Houston to save $100 over the cost of a local source, that means I actually lost $200-$500 on the deal. Like my dad driving 20 minutes and waiting in line to "save" $0.05 per gallon on gas at Costco.

Socialism has failed, miserably, everywhere it's ever been implemented. Or do you think living in N. Korea or Cuba would be nice? I can't remember the last time I saw the results of the F-Class matches held there.

 

[DangerRanger]

I’m 100% confident that if anyone on this board actually needed ammo to defend their life and country their neighbors or these other board members would make it happen. I know I have taken care of my friends that have sucked it up and come to me tail between their legs.

Even though we would and will scold you for not having prepared to defend your family, we would get you ammo to do so.

Outside of that, you’re a grown adult and need to take care of your own and stop acting like a toddler. You don’t get things because you want them in this world, you get things because you have the money or the items to trade for them. You’re not a victim here because someone owns property and sets the price on it.

 

[NateHaler]

I see people on here selling things at a unreasonable price. Just makes me sick. I had a friend on here sell me some things at the price he paid for them last year. Sure he could have made alot of money, but he didn't. He helped me out. That's what we are supposed to do for one another, help each other out in a time of need. Let's not forget that. If your one of them people price gouging on here shame on you. Yeah I know people will PAY for what the need. But that's why we are in this mess to begin with. Just remember what comes around goes around and Karma is a Bitch.

Sour grapes are out of season. As to your sentiments, what about "Be Prepared"? And price gouging is NOT the reason we are in this mess to begin with.

 

[jbinpa59]

It's always easy to be noble with someone else's money. First off, who are you or anyone else for that matter, to determine what "reasonable" is? What you're seeing is pure capitalism, nothing more. People never prepare. Then they are caught without. They are not being forced to pay these ridiculous prices..... THEY CHOOSE TO. Big difference. They won't die without a case of .223. And the only "karma" involved here, is people's unpreparedness catching up with them. They had as much opportunity to stock up as everyone else. Instead they chose not to. Now they can pay the price for it.

Grasshoppers always want the Ants to provide for them at or below cost or for free
You want to play you got to pay or get somebody else to cover it

I'v got X hours of my working life in an item
if I decide to sell it and you pay my asking price that's YOUR choice
ASK anybody I sold components to in the last two monthes if they felt gouged ?
did I ask more than I paid?
YES I DID! did I force them to buy? NO I DID NOT!
I stocked heavy for personal use because I've been through shortages before
and/or I caught a really good sale when I had available coin to INVEST in my hobby
Did I buy with the intent to resell NO!
Can I replace what I sold for what I sold it for or less?
Who knows, that's the chance I take when selling
and BTW
I sold pretty much at or just under Midways or other normal venders last available in stock price AND told my buyers that and invited them to verify it

will I trade item for item ? perceived value for perceived value?
YEP that's called barter Folks!
Got an ad up right now to do just that
all any currency does is give everyone a portable iou in preset amounts

Rant Mode Off Now
going back in my hole
to see what else I impulse bought that I don't really need or have too much of

 

[cotntop]

I actually have an acquaintance that fell out with me because I would not sell him my primers. He loads and sells at gunshows and if you see what is buying ammo you just might not sell them any either. The last gunshow I attended the new gunowners looked like what I imagined I might have to fight in the future.

 

[JMayo]

No such thing as karma.
The"hope you burn in hell" is actually ones ego speaking up. Life is as it is.

 

[Coyotefurharvester]

"We" are in this situation(circumstance) because governors/mayors put political positions before citizens. "A at any cost, we need to get rid of Trump" crowd, let cities burn, facilitated election fraud, and will remove your individual rights. Good luck using up your supplies. All the countries the left is aligned with have forcefully removed firearms from residents.

 

[swd]

If your going to be mad at the current prices then you need to mad at the buyers willing to pay them not the sellers. They are the ones who drove the prices up.

 

[jbinpa59]

I actually have an acquaintance that fell out with me because I would not sell him my primers. He loads and sells at gunshows and if you see what is buying ammo you just might not sell them any either. The last gunshow I attended the new gunowners looked like what I imagined I might have to fight in the future.

better off without him
he wants YOU to enable HIM to get rich
he had the same buying opportunities you did
AND he wanted you to sell them at/near your orig cost too, didn't he?

 

[rr2030]

Get yourself a Bidet too. No sense wasting money or standing in line for TP. Just make sure you let your guests know what it is for....so they don't mistake it for an eye washing station.

2 Bidets here, guest bathroom does not have one. To hell with the TP, best purcahse in a long time.

A side note: when you get wasted and need to hurl in the toilet, you can turn the Bidet on after and rinse your mouth out (so I have been told).