Unofficial - 2022 F-Class Nationals

[Matthew Schwartzkopf]

Ok
Call me captain obvious
All the people that live near Phoenix want the nationals there every year so they don’t have to travel

Not all people. I can think of a couple reasons why I don't want the nationals in Phoenix every year, and I live in Phoenix

 

[280man]

Why do we have to have MR and LR back to back at the same range?
We have a lot of nice MR facility in the middle and eastern US. Why are these match directors not getting the opportunity to run the MR Nationals?

 

[Warren Dean]

Why do we have to have MR and LR back to back at the same range?
We have a lot of nice MR facility in the middle and eastern US. Why are these match directors not getting the opportunity to run the MR Nationals?

That's a really good idea, Rick. It would help out the folks east of Arizona on travel time/expenses that want to shoot midrange and lighten the load on the long-range host's staff. Win-win in my book. How do we get this moving?

 

[Warren Dean]

Ok
Call me captain obvious
All the people that live near Phoenix want the nationals there every year so they don’t have to travel

Whiner.

 

[JeffT]

Whiner.

We’ll see who the whiners are when it’s east of the Mississippi again.

 

[Matthew Schwartzkopf]

Why do we have to have MR and LR back to back at the same range?
We have a lot of nice MR facility in the middle and eastern US. Why are these match directors not getting the opportunity to run the MR Nationals?

Years ago the shooters voiced that they would like them together so they only have to travel once per year to one destination for Nationals, and get this the NRA & High Power Committee actually listened.

Also the opportunity for these match directors is there. There is nothing stopping them from putting a bid into the NRA or High Power Committee to host the MR Nationals at their facility. Just because the standard has been set to hold both MR & LR has been set, doesn't mean that it wouldn't be considered for a different club to hold the MR separate to the LR. Someone just needs to come up with a proposal and convince the NRA of it.

 

[280man]

So who do we turn a bid into? Do these people still exist?

 

[Jdne5b]

If someone is interested in a solo MR Nationals, maybe see if CMP would be interested in sanctioning it? They have their own Fclass rules now. I'm hearing rumors of another NRA sport being picked up by them. Might be better long term than NRA given their legal troubles.

 

[Van Wynn]

Why not alternate between EAST & WEST every year? At least give a chance for the F-Class guys on the EAST side to shoot at the National for a change, ha

 

[memilanuk]

Why not alternate between EAST & WEST every year? At least give a chance for the F-Class guys on the EAST side to shoot at the National for a change, ha

You have every chance to attend.

I live "on the west coast", and I still have to either fly, or drive the better part of two days solo, to attend Raton or Ben Avery. With all the inherent logistics headaches involved. We've done high speed runs to Lodi, and to Butner (never again, flying is the only way to go that far for me). And no, I'm not retired with unlimited vacation days - but I made it work.

If you actually wanted to be there, you'd find a way.

 

[Warren Dean]

Why not alternate between EAST & WEST every year? At least give a chance for the F-Class guys on the EAST side to shoot at the National for a change, ha

There's a bunch more to a major match than just the location. There needs to be a club with competent people to run the match, hotels and restaurants close by, parking, etc. There are a few clubs and locations that meet those criteria, but not enough. Lodi wants the nationals for the next cycle and I am all for it.
Wisconsin...land of great cheese and even better beer.

 

[Ned Ludd]

I have always had the feeling that when F-Class MR and LR Nationals are hosted together (sequentially) at the same venue, a significant proportion of the attendees were there primarily for the LR matches, and thus the MR matches were treated somewhat like a "warmup" for LR Nats. I may be wrong in that perception, but that's how it seems. Perhaps holding the MR Nats at a different time and at a different facility would serve to boost attendance and heighten the perceived "importance" of the match itself.

To that end, can anyone provide a list of the essential features the shooting facility itself would have to possess in order to adequately conduct a National F-Class MR Championship match of that size? For example, what minimum # of firing points, other range facilities such as electronic targets/target carriers, parking, restroom facilities, support/administrative staff, etc., would realistically be necessary? I'd imagine that only a certain number of 600 yd ranges are truly "qualified" to successfully bring off a match of that size. A list of candidate ranges that could successfully host an event of that size would be an excellent starting point to make such an event happen. Additional requirements such as hotels, campgrounds, eating establishments, and excellent microbreweries that also serve deliciously sharp and crumbly cheddar cheese appetizers as a tastebud explosion for Warren and others are also very important, but only if there is a shooting facility nearby that can adequately conduct the matches.

 

[flintcreek6412]

I guess it all depends on whether they are wanting to increase participation or keep it as a single big show that limits venues.

I've always thought it would make sense to break it down between east/west with every other year alternating as follows.

Break up LR and MR to LR in October and MR in May while also breaking up Open and TR. As it stands now, if someone wants to participate in both it's gonna take a lot of time off work between travel and days of shooting. Plus you have to load a crap ton of ammo to compete in both. This way it's just a F/S/S event twice a year and there will always be at least one Championship a year on your side of the Mississippi.

Year 1: Open MR East, TR MR West, Open LR West, TR LR East.
Year 2: Open MR West, TR MR East, Open LR East, TR LR West.

Yes,it would be terrible not seeing your buddies that shoot the opposite division and it could be a challenge for those that rely on buddies in the other division to haul their gear. I get it. And it would make it much smaller in scale. But a lot more clubs could host it because you are not throwing all of Open and TR on the line together. The combo of those 2 divisions shooting the same time is what requires so many lanes.

Or another alternative.

Alternate East and West between MR and LR while still splitting Open and TR and splitting time of year between MR and LR.

This would be similar to current schedule length for the club to host but totally different format.
TR would shoot S/M/T and Open would shoot T/F/S with Wed for team events. Again, a smaller club could host the event this way. You could limit needed days off to more "local" shooters so if they are a day travel away could only need to take 3 days off. A TR shooter could travel Saturday, shoot S/M/T and return home on Wed with only 3 days off if they were not shooting team.

Hard telling if this would increase participation for those that don't want to travel so far to at least having one event a year within a day or 2 drive.

But, it will never happen so people can just continue to complain as the status quo continues. But as I recall there were about 20 competitors for the f class MR FTR championship last year. Kinda sad. Making MR it's own event on its own time of year certainly couldn't hurt attendance.

 

[F-CLassInfo]

I guess it all depends on whether they are wanting to increase participation or keep it as a single big show that limits venues.

I've always thought it would make sense to break it down between east/west with every other year alternating as follows.

Break up LR and MR to LR in October and MR in May while also breaking up Open and TR. As it stands now, if someone wants to participate in both it's gonna take a lot of time off work between travel and days of shooting. Plus you have to load a crap ton of ammo to compete in both. This way it's just a F/S/S event twice a year and there will always be at least one Championship a year on your side of the Mississippi.

Year 1: Open MR East, TR MR West, Open LR West, TR LR East.
Year 2: Open MR West, TR MR East, Open LR East, TR LR West.

Yes,it would be terrible not seeing your buddies that shoot the opposite division and it could be a challenge for those that rely on buddies in the other division to haul their gear. I get it. And it would make it much smaller in scale. But a lot more clubs could host it because you are not throwing all of Open and TR on the line together. The combo of those 2 divisions shooting the same time is what requires so many lanes.

Or another alternative.

Alternate East and West between MR and LR while still splitting Open and TR and splitting time of year between MR and LR.

This would be similar to current schedule length for the club to host but totally different format.
TR would shoot S/M/T and Open would shoot T/F/S with Wed for team events. Again, a smaller club could host the event this way. You could limit needed days off to more "local" shooters so if they are a day travel away could only need to take 3 days off. A TR shooter could travel Saturday, shoot S/M/T and return home on Wed with only 3 days off if they were not shooting team.

Hard telling if this would increase participation for those that don't want to travel so far to at least having one event a year within a day or 2 drive.

But, it will never happen so people can just continue to complain as the status quo continues. But as I recall there were about 20 competitors for the f class MR FTR championship last year. Kinda sad. Making MR it's own event on its own time of year certainly couldn't hurt attendance.

Go for it. Bid for it and hold it.