Just a short note on case cleaning. Bought a sonic cleaner on e-bay, $26.50 plus shipping.42,000 cps.Holds about simple Mason large mouth canning jar, that is the perfect size for 20 cases of .308 family of cases, and or .280 and it's family cases.The 50/50 mix of distilled water and house hold vinegar......works! Followed by standand dilution of Birchwood-Casey case cleaner. The brass tested was recent fired,same day),a load of cases that I had fired 3 years ago and just put in a bag. Amazing !, did not do anything except deprime,seperate depriming die), load them in the jar, added the mixture,vinegar & water), ran it for 8 min total, rinsed by had,put em' back in the jar with the recommended mix of Birchwood/Casey case cleaned....ran it for 4 min...rinsed with distilled water and air dryed with a modeling heat gun ....The WHOLE case, inside and out, primer pockets included, was as clean as new cases....I can feel good about not puting and carbon or dirt in my dies now.