Standard factory barrels usually don't use reamer guides when cut, so I am wondering how the Savage target/benchrest chambers are done. Are the cartridges lined up straight inline with the barrel vs standard factory, which usually aren't? How do they compare to Krieger's target chambers? Does the Fclass rifle use a barrel nut? I am interested in the 6BR if that makes any difference. Thanks.
To what standards are the Savage target barrel chambers made?
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From what I've seen come from the Savage Factory over the last 30 years is that some do shoot and clean up better than others, but not as good as an aftermarket Match barrel maker. I still have a factory tubes on a couple of Model 112BT sling rifles that I use, once there are toast (since I don't shoot sling much anymore it will take awhile) I'll be ordering a Krieger.
All Savages that come out of the Factory built on the 1957 patern of the Model 110 has a barrel nut, the F-Class 12 as well as some other models use what has become known as a "Large Shank" barrel with a thread diameter of 1.125" or so while the Standard model rifles are still using a "Small Shank" measuring around 1.060".
I have a fellow F-Class shooting buddy on here who just replaced his 6mmbr factory tube on his 12 F-Class rifle after less than 400 rounds or so. After unexplainable fliers and fouling he took a look with a bore scope........
Look up Fifteen X's and send him a PM if you want more info.
All Savages that come out of the Factory built on the 1957 patern of the Model 110 has a barrel nut, the F-Class 12 as well as some other models use what has become known as a "Large Shank" barrel with a thread diameter of 1.125" or so while the Standard model rifles are still using a "Small Shank" measuring around 1.060".
I have a fellow F-Class shooting buddy on here who just replaced his 6mmbr factory tube on his 12 F-Class rifle after less than 400 rounds or so. After unexplainable fliers and fouling he took a look with a bore scope........
Look up Fifteen X's and send him a PM if you want more info.
Shynloco
You can lead a horse to water, but ........
ba_50,
I'm no barrel manufacturing expert and won't claim expertise. But I do own and shoot a Savage Model 12 Benchrest 6mmbr, but don't compete. My eyes aren't what they once were. But I also shoot with friends who compete in 6mmbr and they all have the Lilja, Shilen, Hart, Broughton qaulityu barrels. IMHO, my Savage shoots very well, but would never win any SERIOUS contests. I rank the Savage Target barrels somewhere between the top of the line Match Grade barrels and factory general production barrels. If I were going to get SERIOUS, I'd swap out that Savage Match Grade barrel for a Shlien or Lilja in a heartbeat and wouldn't be using the Savage Action to begin with. Just my thoughts.
I'm no barrel manufacturing expert and won't claim expertise. But I do own and shoot a Savage Model 12 Benchrest 6mmbr, but don't compete. My eyes aren't what they once were. But I also shoot with friends who compete in 6mmbr and they all have the Lilja, Shilen, Hart, Broughton qaulityu barrels. IMHO, my Savage shoots very well, but would never win any SERIOUS contests. I rank the Savage Target barrels somewhere between the top of the line Match Grade barrels and factory general production barrels. If I were going to get SERIOUS, I'd swap out that Savage Match Grade barrel for a Shlien or Lilja in a heartbeat and wouldn't be using the Savage Action to begin with. Just my thoughts.
Kind of a coincidence you ask that specific of a question because my shooting partner and I just two days ago got done comparing with a bore scope a large shank 1-10 twist Savage target bbl. with approx. 300 round down in .30 cal. to a Krieger 1-10" in .30 cal. with a comparable round count. Neither of us could discern ANY difference between either bbl. Other than land/groove width, both bbls. appeared identical. My point being only an visual observation, having nothing to do with the material either bbl. was made of, but rather that in interior appearance they looked identical. I know for a fact that they both shoot much better than the owners, and will be within .5 gr. of the same powder charge to produce similar velocities with the same bullet.
In short, the Savage of today, ain’t your daddy’s Savage.
I hope this helps,
Lloyd
In short, the Savage of today, ain’t your daddy’s Savage.
I hope this helps,
Lloyd
Dave,
The closer the bullet is to the lands, the better it will be lined up, according to Rifle Accuracy facts by Roy Vaughn, using light bullets in a 6mm. (very complex reading)
Lloyd,
I have a picture of a cartridge in a laying in the camber bottom, with room above it, so doing a visual probably wouldn't reveal that.
I suspect Savage makes their target chambers like the standard ones. Ruger probably does too.
Taildrag 15X
400 rounds isn't acceptable, I'd complain about it if he hasn't already.
The closer the bullet is to the lands, the better it will be lined up, according to Rifle Accuracy facts by Roy Vaughn, using light bullets in a 6mm. (very complex reading)
Lloyd,
I have a picture of a cartridge in a laying in the camber bottom, with room above it, so doing a visual probably wouldn't reveal that.
I suspect Savage makes their target chambers like the standard ones. Ruger probably does too.
Taildrag 15X
400 rounds isn't acceptable, I'd complain about it if he hasn't already.
It's been my experience that Savage barrels are as good as they need to be to make a profit for Savage and appeal to a mass market. There is a pretty strong market for aftermarket prefit barrels for all Savage rifles, the target actions included.
You can probably get a lot of responses by posting this same Q on the Savage Shooter's Forum website.
You can probably get a lot of responses by posting this same Q on the Savage Shooter's Forum website.
One guy on Savage Shooters said they weren't really target barrels. It looks like the only way to get a real match rifle is to build one.
David Tubb says the standard accuracy for a 700 Varmint is 1 1/2 MOA but with his Tubb bullets coatings they can get down to 1/2moa. That doesn't say much for the 700.
It's another option though for any new rifle.
I figure this forum is less biased than SS's./
David Tubb says the standard accuracy for a 700 Varmint is 1 1/2 MOA but with his Tubb bullets coatings they can get down to 1/2moa. That doesn't say much for the 700.
It's another option though for any new rifle.
I figure this forum is less biased than SS's./
In my opinion, we have a bunch of shooters commenting on something they know nothing about. I shoot Long Range bench rest with a gun that has a Shilen barrel. This morning at 600yd practice, I shot next to two regulars that have out of the box Savage bench rest guns. The end result is the skill of the guy pulling the trigger! There are a lot of guys being embarressed by folks with out of the box Savages.
I'm not going to say the average Savage BR gun is capable of National class shooting, but there a couple of teams shooting these guns that don't have to apologize at all!
I would say that until a shooter has learned all there is to know about shooting, reading wind and mirage and competitive psychology, he will not be held back by an out of the box Savage bench rest or F class gun.
Actually, I remember all the guys giving my father in law a bad time about his P.O.S. 1958 Savage 110 30-06. That is, until they tried to out shoot him!
I'm not going to say the average Savage BR gun is capable of National class shooting, but there a couple of teams shooting these guns that don't have to apologize at all!
I would say that until a shooter has learned all there is to know about shooting, reading wind and mirage and competitive psychology, he will not be held back by an out of the box Savage bench rest or F class gun.
Actually, I remember all the guys giving my father in law a bad time about his P.O.S. 1958 Savage 110 30-06. That is, until they tried to out shoot him!
normmatzen said:
And I can vouch for that, I've seen it up close and too personal. You can't underestimate the rifle, put it in the right hands and see what happens. I think it's sort of hilarious to see a Savage .308 humiliate 4000 dollar F-Open rifles; then people still stick their noses up at them! I can't get used to the accutrigger myself, but I know better than underestimate their rifles.
Team Savage told me that the 308 had a match reamer; I can't remember which reamer they said now, but Savage uses match chambers vs. the regular chamber jobs.
normmatzen said:
I'm so sorry you feel I comment on things I know nothing about...............
Maybe I should join the "Don't know $hit Forums...........
I posted previously, its about Savage model 12 left port in 6BR and its chamber job, from my experience their standards are very low... Here's a link http://forum.accurateshooter.com/index.php/topic,3767915.msg35967759.html#msg35967759
Children please, I'm tryin to read!
I couldnt of said it better. I own 3 Savage stock guns in 6br 2-lrpv's 1- benchrest. I have shot against some big dollar rigs and some ppc guys that had 10 times more $$ into their rigs and rests. At the end of the day if i do my part i get to hang another target in my reloading room on my pin board labeled another" custom rig bites the dust"normmatzen said:
Do what works for you and dont change your ways until they dont work anymore
1holeaddict said:
I'm so sorry you feel I comment on things I know nothing about...............
Maybe I should join the "Don't know $hit Forums...........
Yet again another thinks that what I've commented on is hot air..........
I'll stick to it, some shoot, some don't, I've had shooters, but have seen the other side of it also, and that is what I commented on.
Gday all, new to the target scene not so much to shooting. I'm in the process of buying a Savage 6mmBR BR after enjoying my 308 10FP for some years, thought i would get something for the bench and enter the occasional club match. I understand there is alot of technical aspects to target rifles but when it comes down to it, Its the Nut behind the Butt. This was proved to me recently by a good friend of mine and a seasonal shooter at our local range. My friend owns a Savage 6mm BR and after running it in and alittle load development it was shooting better than we ever could, producing cloverleafs out to 300m. This is where it got interesting, after talking with a more experienced club shooter he gave us a few tips and tricks before taking place behind the Savage. After only a few shoots he seemed impressed, so much so he let us shoot his 4500 dollar rig in the club match while he kept shooting the savage. He placed 2nd in the days shoot but was not looking to swap more permanently, shame i know. Just proved to us the gun is more than capable. I'm not looking to win records just enjoy the sport, and I believe that the Savage range are great starting platforms. Alittle of topic i know but just thought i'd share my experiences.
A year ago, i bought a used 6br savage benchrest. I tryed the usual 30gr. varget,but the thing wouldn't shoot. No wonder it was on the used rack! Then I tryed re15! Now the thing competes against custom 6PPCs. It shoots well at all ranges. I do not know what Savage does differently to these vs. their traditional run of the mill guns,,,,but something is different.
I hesitate to join in on a thread that already has lots of different opinions posted but I am going to do so anyway.
A couple of years ago, I ordered a 6 BR from Stiller Precision. While waiting for my new rifle, I purchased a used Savage 12 BVSS in .308 as something to shoot while waiting for my 6 BR. To make a long story short, the Savage barrel shot ok and fouled quickly. I looked at it with a bore scope. There was a spiral "scratch" from one end to the other that cut through the lands and barely touched the grooves. I sent the gun to Savage. They sent it back with a test target shot at 100 yards with a 3-shot cloverleaf. Their response was Savage makes shooters not pretty so nothing is wrong with your rifle.
I replaced the Savage barrel with a Shilen pre-fit and went back to shooting. After my 6 BR arrived, I parted out the rifle and sold it. For me, I would buy a recent model Savage as a hunting rifle but would go full custom for a target rifle. The Savage action is not a custom action. There are more after market options available for non-Savage actions, triggers, stocks, etc. However, for your money, it is hard to beat a modern Savage.
Cort
A couple of years ago, I ordered a 6 BR from Stiller Precision. While waiting for my new rifle, I purchased a used Savage 12 BVSS in .308 as something to shoot while waiting for my 6 BR. To make a long story short, the Savage barrel shot ok and fouled quickly. I looked at it with a bore scope. There was a spiral "scratch" from one end to the other that cut through the lands and barely touched the grooves. I sent the gun to Savage. They sent it back with a test target shot at 100 yards with a 3-shot cloverleaf. Their response was Savage makes shooters not pretty so nothing is wrong with your rifle.
I replaced the Savage barrel with a Shilen pre-fit and went back to shooting. After my 6 BR arrived, I parted out the rifle and sold it. For me, I would buy a recent model Savage as a hunting rifle but would go full custom for a target rifle. The Savage action is not a custom action. There are more after market options available for non-Savage actions, triggers, stocks, etc. However, for your money, it is hard to beat a modern Savage.
Cort
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