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Throat erosion

Have been shooting a Savage Predator Hunter bolt gun in .223 Win. for a couple of years. Don't know the precise round count of the current factory barrel, but would guess about 1,000.

Decided to check the distance from the cartridge base to the lands with a bullet the rifle likes and found that the throat had eroded approx. 0.066". Does that sound normal?

Used a Sinclair bullet seating depth gauge and the measurements were consistent over multiple takes.
 
I will take a stab at this because no one else has. More info would have been helpful. If you used the exact same bullets to first establish your COAL at touching the lands, then yes, .066 erosion wear for 1000 rounds sounds about right.

One of my CM .222's has similar wear at 1400 +- shots.
 
My criterion 1:8 twist has 1944 rounds and my throat has advanced.065. That says i will get at least 3000 rounds. I arbitrarily draw the barrel life line at .100 growth it is over

david
 
Thanks fellas. Guess I'll keep shooting it as long as it shoots well, and then rebarrel it.

Good plan, don't worry about what you can not see but know is happening. You gotta admit though, these bore scopes are a cool thing.

Your bore probably looks something like this one does. My Remington 788 in .222 with approx 1400 shots using IMR 4198 and H322 with 50 gr. mixed brand bullets. I bought the gun "lightly" used pre bore scope invention days. I know I have 1200 rounds shot by me. As is known by now I have been keeping round count data on all my guns for decades.

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DSC03512.JPG My bore scoping "laboratory"...it's all I got.:) That's an El Paso Weaver T-16x with FCH on the .222. Wonderful mid range PD instrument.:cool:
 
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Been there. Had that but at a much higher round count with factory Savage barrel. All of a sudden, groups were much more spread out.
 
If you're not using the same type/brand of bullet you used to measure the original distance to "touching", the accuracy of the measurement that gave you a difference of .066" may be questionable. Even if you are, different Lots of bullets can give different readings. This is because variance in the dimensions/shape of the bullet ogives can give different measurements to "touching" the lands, it's like comparing apples to oranges. How much it might affect your measurement, if at all, is very difficult to say. It would totally depend on how the different the external dimensions of the bullet ogives you used to measure each time were.

I typically remove 10 bullets at random from every new Lot of bullets, mark them carefully, and save them as a "measurement set". I use that specific set at a minimum for the life of that specific Lot of bullets, and usually keep them around even after the Lot is gone. The other thing to consider is that as the lands erode, the lead angle does not always remain the same as it was in a new chamber, often becoming more shallow through wear. This can make it very easy to push the bullet into the lands much farther than "touching" when such measurements are taken.

Reason I mention this is simply because .066" seems like an awful lot of land erosion to me, for only about 1000 rounds. That would be equivalent to the lands eroding 6.6 thousandths for every 100 rounds. At that rate, you'd almost need to repeat a seating depth test as soon as you finished one, until the barrel was shot out. In fact, I'd call that a HUGE amount of land erosion for a .223 Rem. In a .223 Rem Bartlein barrel I recently spun off an F-TR rifle, I had .0105" measured land erosion after 2204 rounds. In other words, about half a thousandth per every 100 rounds. Further, the loads I ran in that barrel for its entire life were quite hot, and I was pushing 90 gr bullets, which is also pretty hard on barrels. I have similar results with other barrels in both .223 Rem and .308 Win. Somewhere around half a thousandth erosion per 100 rounds seems to be about the norm for those calibers. Certainly there may be a difference in the steel used to make Bartlein and Savage barrels, but I'd be rather surprised (and disappointed with Savage) if such a difference meant almost 15 times greater land erosion.

In any event, if you used a different type/brand bullet for the two measurements, it might be worth repeating the measurement using the same bullet as for the original measurement, and being extra careful not to go past "touching". It may be that the land erosion hasn't gone as far as it may have seemed from the first measurement.
 
Have been shooting a Savage Predator Hunter bolt gun in .223 Win. for a couple of years. Don't know the precise round count of the current factory barrel, but would guess about 1,000.

Decided to check the distance from the cartridge base to the lands with a bullet the rifle likes and found that the throat had eroded approx. 0.066". Does that sound normal?

Used a Sinclair bullet seating depth gauge and the measurements were consistent over multiple takes.
I’m running about half that much throat erosion in a 6Br
 
Like Ned Ludd, I think that is far too much erosion for a .223 with that many rounds. One thing I have noticed about factory barrels is that when I take initial chamber measurements for seating my first test ammo - the numbers change noticeably after having fired just a few hundred rounds. When determining maximum bullet seated length with a dummy cartridge, one can tell how rough the throat is where it makes contact with the bullet. That roughness goes away to some degree after a few hundred rounds are fired. You then end up with a different measurement. Still - the life of a .223 barrel that is not abused will last 5 to 10 times as long as most larger center-fire cartridges. I currently have five .223 varmint barrels that all shoot about 1/4 MOA and the round count on the least-fired in approaching 4,000. The highest is nearly double that and is just starting to show signs I will need to replace it - but only because 1/2" MOA won't make the grade. Fortunately, a lot of varmint bullets really like to jump. You surely have a ton of life left in that barrel.
 

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