This Win mod 70 rare-ish?

[J.d. Popkes]

Had it for years, shoots really well, thought someone more well versed in the different shooting disciplines might be able to tell me more about it. Top of receiver is clip slotted? Really nice trigger, iron sight attachments etc.

 

[Walt Krafft]

Serial number?

 

[J.d. Popkes]

Serial number?

G1149667

 

[Will Henry]

A very nice Model 70 Marksman. Not super rare, but rare to see a fifty-year-old rifle in such nice condition. With good ammunition, they can be quite accurate.
In the early '70's, they had an iron sight BR class in Alberta. My dad shot a five-shot group of around 1/2 moa as I recall. He fired a Model 70 Marksman in 308.
I worked in a shop with some serious high power shooters (one of them being George Farquharson, the father of "F" class) I worked on a lot of Model 70's like that one as a result. WH

 

[J.d. Popkes]

A very nice Model 70 Marksman. Not super rare, but rare to see a fifty-year-old rifle in such nice condition. With good ammunition, they can be quite accurate.
In the early '70's, they had an iron sight BR class in Alberta. My dad shot a five-shot group of around 1/2 moa as I recall. He fired a Model 70 Marksman in 308.
I worked in a shop with some serious high power shooters (one of them being George Farquharson, the father of "F" class) I worked on a lot of Model 70's like that one as a result. WH

That’s good info! I got this out of an estate.

What would you say is the value of the rifle?

 

[Will Henry]

It is really difficult for me to give a value on any rifle. This is because I am a cheapskate, I have not purchased a rifle for at least 25 years, and I base values on what I see in my 1972 Gun Digest. I suppose, in todays devalued pesos, about 1500 dollars. This may or may not reflect the real value since that is outside my area of expertise (if I even have one). WH

 

[J.d. Popkes]

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It is really difficult for me to give a value on any rifle. This is because I am a cheapskate, I have not purchased a rifle for at least 25 years, and I base values on what I see in my 1972 Gun Digest. I suppose, in today’s devalued pesos, about 1500 dollars. This may or may not reflect the real value since that is outside my area of expertise (if I even have one). WH

In Your opinion is it Winchesters version of a 40x kinda/sorta?

 

[Will Henry]

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In Your opinion is it Winchesters version of a 40x kinda/sorta?

It is exactly that. In the same vein as the 40X rangemaster. Many fullbore shooters much preferred the Winchester over the Remington. The feeling was that the flat bottom provided a better bed, and the receiver was more rigid. The tubular Remington receiver was suspected of twisting in the stock when it was fired. due to torque reaction. This, it was claimed, was especially so when fired from a tight sling position. I can'y say that I totally bought into this, but I couldn't refute it either.
Winchester also made a very few solid bottomed single shot Model 70's. These were made for the Palma match one year. These are rare, and I only ever saw one.
I always felt the Remington had a slight accuracy edge and from a gunsmith's viewpoint, was easier to work with. I always figured I could make a 1/4 moa 308 on a Remington (on a good day, mind you) but a 3/8 moa on a Winchester (again, on a good day). Rosin and tight screws took care of any torquing. WH

 

[dannyjbiggs]

I acquired a "Winchester Match Rifle" thru trade in early 1990 to start my venture into bolt-gun XTC competition departing from service rifle, and used it along with others (40X repeater and short action Model 70s) throughout the '90's. Still have it. It was a nice long-action rifle. The LOP was a little extreme for me in the off-hand position, so I whittled out a stock best fit for me and changed the barrel...much better.

Personally, I much preferred purchasing an unfired barreled Model 70 short-action and allowing my gunsmith to cut a clip slot for it, which I'd then bed it into my personal stock. How sweet they were...much faster and smoother bolt operation compared to the Match Rifle in the rapid-fire states.

 

[Bob3700]

Ur rifle appears to be a post 64. version of the Mod 70. Not quite the value of the pre-64 models but none the less very good shooting rifles. Certainly the gold standard in their day. When the sub 30 caliber cartridges became popular the 308’s faded from XC shooting.

 

[dannyjbiggs]

Yep, post 64. Agree on all the cartridge wildcatting going on at the time! I went from .308 to 7mm/08, then to 6.5mm/08. Even shot 7x57 in a pre-64 action for a while. (Never did touch the .243 though.) Don't really miss all those days but like to talk about them.

 

[J.d. Popkes]

Does anyone still shoot these in any organized competition? Is there a market, I don’t shoot it anymore, I don’t want to outfit it in a chassis and make a bunch of changes. Maybe I’ll base it around a 40x of the era on the classifieds.

 

[ELR LVR]

A very nice Model 70 Marksman. Not super rare, but rare to see a fifty-year-old rifle in such nice condition. With good ammunition, they can be quite accurate.
In the early '70's, they had an iron sight BR class in Alberta. My dad shot a five-shot group of around 1/2 moa as I recall. He fired a Model 70 Marksman in 308.
I worked in a shop with some serious high power shooters (one of them being George Farquharson, the father of "F" class) I worked on a lot of Model 70's like that one as a result. WH

Is the F in Farquharson where the term "F" class came from?

 

[matthias]

I have one of these rifles. Was tuned up by PJ Wright and I absolutely love it. Value is probably right around 1200 +-

 

[Bob3700]

Does anyone still shoot these in any organized competition? Is there a market, I don’t shoot it anymore, I don’t want to outfit it in a chassis and make a bunch of changes. Maybe I’ll base it around a 40x of the era on the classifieds.

I would not alter the rifle as it represents a period in Winchesters production and a unique option for M70s. A Marksman model.

 

[LCazador]

Forty First edition Blue Book lists the value for the Model 70 Target manufactured 1964-1971 at $550 in 90% original condition. There is no Marksman model listed. The Palma Match with 26 inch barrel was marked so on the left side of the barrel was made for one year 1968 is worth a bit more. Additionally there was an International match made 1970-1979 which was produced in the Winchester custom shop. I believe you have a standard production model 70 Target.

 

[J.d. Popkes]

I don’t think I’d sell it for $550, I guess it’s the age old question. What’s it worth? Whatever someone will pay. Thanks though, I’m learning more about what it is.

 

[skinnj1]

The advent of allowing optics on highpower match rifles made clipslotted repeaters obsolete for xtc rifles. If the stock works for you they can still be reasonable prone guns.

While I agree with Bob about not modifying it , you could buy ptg la aics dbm and some accurate mag .308 specific long action mags if you really wanted to campaign it again xtc but with optics...

 

[LCazador]

I don’t think I’d sell it for $550, I guess it’s the age old question. What’s it worth? Whatever someone will pay. Thanks though, I’m learning more about what it is.

I totally agree. Price is in the eyes of the beholder!

 

[J.d. Popkes]

The advent of allowing optics on highpower match rifles made clipslotted repeaters obsolete for xtc rifles. If the stock works for you they can still be reasonable prone guns.

While I agree with Bob about not modifying it , you could buy ptg la aics dbm and some accurate mag .308 specific long action mags if you really wanted to campaign it again xtc but with optics...

Maybe I’ll just put it in a chassis. That won’t permanently change anything.