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The [so called] Robinett 30 BR reamer- exposed.

Attached is a copy (pic) of the original, and only Robinett 30 BR reamer. A reamer featuring a single alteration is not a Robinett reamer, but rather, “something else”. The only reason that my name was attached to the reamer was/is because I ordered it: at the very least, upon any alteration, my name should have been removed.

While alterations are neither necessarily bad, nor, good, they are different. When I ordered my original reamer - subsequent to, and different than Ronnie Long’s [original] reamer- I did not ask that it be proprietary, nor did I request to have my name attached/associated with copies of my dimensions: only that clones be readily available; no strings attached.

Regrettably, beyond my control, there are a multitude of reamers bearing my name, many of them, with dimensional changes which, in combination with the short/light thirty caliber bullets, are undesirable. Here are two [common] ‘deal wrecker’ attributes:

Excessive OAL, thus, too long a chamber neck length - typically, 1.560” (SAAMI Spec. .22 BR OAL). Mechanical neck-up processes reduce neck-length, thus OAL: 1.520” necked-up brass, in a 1.560” chamber will result in 0.040” ‘counterfeit’ free-bore.
My tooling never produces a necked-up 6mm LAPUA case in excess of 1.515” long - most are 1.512-1.513” before trimming to square the mouths. Thus, the specified maximum OAL of 1.510” on the original reamer - this has worked very well. Note: few expand-up processes/tools produce OAL greater than 1.520” - more on this later; in brief, fire-forming does produce longer necks/OAL. Know the OAL of your reamer/chamber.

Any amount of free-bore, especially in conjunction with #1(above). Already, #1 will all but preclude seating the short/light bullets against, or even near the lands - actual free-bore, in combination with excessive chamber-neck length [usually] spells poor results. Short 30 caliber BR quality bullets do not require any free-bore.
Note: my original reamer features a [unusual] 1.75 degree throat angle - the typical 1.5 Deg. angle requires seating the bullet out even further - aproximately 0.035" further! With the 1.75 Deg. throat angle, and brass trimmed only 0.010” short of filling the chamber-neck, the base of a typical short/light thirty caliber bullet, seated to contact the lands, will have only about 0.125” of shank in the case neck. Short case-necks, and free-bore erode bullet grip fast!

Not quite as bad, is a poorly positioned, or, inadequate cone diameter (variously referred to as ‘throat’, ‘leade’, etc.): the cone should remove every vestige of land material, preferably, at least, skimming (cleaning-up) the bottom of the grooves, affording the bullet free access to the barrel/lands. A zero free-bore reamer does just this, right off of the chamber mouth. This is not to be confused with the typical 45 degree angle at most reamer mouths, which presumably, is a better chamber:barrel transition than a perpendicular wall.

There are two alterations, which, if ordering a new reamer, I would make to my original:
Diameter, at the .200” (ahead of bolt-face) DATUM line , I would state, “not less than 0.4715”.
Neck diameter 0.331”, no taper.

Note: the hand written .315 above the neck, on this print, is the approximate neck-length of my brass, when trimmed for 0.010” clearance, or, when trimmed to 1.500” OAL.

I hope that this is understandable and proves useful. Keep ‘em ON the X! RG

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Randy can you clarify the throat angle? In your text you say "Note: my original reamer features a [unusual] 1.75 degree throat angle" but the print above shows 1º-45 and your 2005 PS article with a print shows 1º-45 as well. Thanks!
 
Randy can you clarify the throat angle? In your text you say "Note: my original reamer features a [unusual] 1.75 degree throat angle" but the print above shows 1º-45 and your 2005 PS article with a print shows 1º-45 as well. Thanks!
1.75 is the same as 1 degree 45 minutes.
 
This might explain why I only have .125 shank in the neck [I often wondered about this. I thought it was to make room for more powder.] with the 118 Bib seated to touch the lands. I have found a lower node that seems to be about as accurate with 2.0 gr less H4198. I also seat my 118 .025 further into the case with this load. The lighter load is a lot easier on cases. This is a informative read for the 30br thanks Link
 
I bought my reamer from Kiff and I guess I saw through all these changes. Not sure about all the complications that resulted from all this. The bottom line is you need to have enough knowledge to make the right decision and if you're not sure then it should land on a competent gunsmith to make that decision for you. Thank you Randy for letting us know. Maybe this should stand as an eternal sticky!!
 
I am considering buying a new barrel in 30BR for local competition shooting this fall. With this thread being 3 years old now, what if any new developments should I be aware of before ordering this as a pre-fit for a Savage Target Action?

I'm not seeing a lot of traffic here regarding the 30BR and that has me wondering what is the latest hotness for 100-300 yd score competition?
 
It seems that the following attributes have delivered solid, BR tournament, 30 BR performance:
1) Max OAL 1.525" (being a control freak, I still prefer shorter).
2) Diameter at 0.200" DATUM 0.4715" > .
3) Chamber neck diameter 0.331" -.332".
4) ZERO free-bore, with 1 Deg., 45 Min. (1.75) throat angle (The popular 1.5 deg. isn't a wreck, I just don't like it.)
5) Any free-bore should be not less than .3085" diameter.
Were I to order a new 30BR reamer, except for retaining a MAX OAL of 1.510", this would be it. Good shootin'! RG

P.S. Line 2, above has been corrected - in the original post, the 1 &7 were transposed!!:oops:
 
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So what impact will changing the .200 diameter from your original .4729 to .4175 have? What is the rationale for doing this?
 
So what impact will changing the .200 diameter from your original .4729 to .4175 have? What is the rationale for doing this?

The original .200 DATUM point (shown as .200" ahead of the bolt-face) is 0.4707" - the rim/bolt-face Dia. is .4729".
Changing to the larger .200" DATUM point diameter will make for better re-size die function, & reduce/eliminate the dreaded [primary extraction] 'click'. ;) RG
 
The original .200 DATUM point (shown as .200" ahead of the bolt-face) is 0.4707" - the rim/bolt-face Dia. is .4729".
Changing to the larger .200" DATUM point diameter will make for better re-size die function, & reduce/eliminate the dreaded [primary extraction] 'click'. ;) RG
Thanks
 
It seems that the following attributes have delivered solid, BR tournament, 30 BR performance:
1) Max OAL 1.525" (being a control freak, I still prefer shorter).
2) Diameter at 0.200" DATUM 0.4175" > .
3) Chamber neck diameter 0.331" -.332".
4) ZERO free-bore, with 1 Deg., 45 Min. (1.75) throat angle (The popular 1.5 deg. isn't a wreck, I just don't like it.)
5) Any free-bore should be not less than .3085" diameter.
Were I to order a new 30BR reamer, except for retaining a MAX OAL of 1.510", this would be it. Good shootin'! RG


I'm confused by line 2) above. Would you mind double checking that dimension for me? Thanks!

A second question I have is that I see Shilen lists a chamber option in 30BR Robinette (.330). What, if any, information do you have about their particular reamer. It seems to be .001 undersized in neck dia. compared to your current recommendations.

Thanks again for any help.
 
I'm confused by line 2) above. Would you mind double checking that dimension for me? Thanks!

A second question I have is that I see Shilen lists a chamber option in 30BR Robinette (.330). What, if any, information do you have about their particular reamer. It seems to be .001 undersized in neck dia. compared to your current recommendations.

Thanks again for any help.

Thank you for catching my transposing of the digits - that was a glaring error!:oops: The figure was corrected: .4715">. :DRG
 
Thank you for catching my transposing of the digits - that was a glaring error!:oops: The figure was corrected: .4715">. :DRG
Now I see-.4707 to 4715. I thought the 4175 was bizarre but was not going to question you as I know you know what you are talking about. Never thought about a typo.

Would you still leave the .200 datum .4729? If so, why would that not increase problems with bolt click?
 
Now I see-.4707 to 4715. I thought the 4175 was bizarre but was not going to question you as I know you know what you are talking about. Never thought about a typo.

Would you still leave the .200 datum .4729? If so, why would that not increase problems with bolt click?

The .200" DATUM (ahead of the bolt-face) should be .4715" > . . . if one wanted, it could be .4729", which would not be bad - way better than too 'tight'.
The chamber needs to be, at least, .0025"> larger than the virgin brass, and the re-size die needs to be smaller than the virgin brass: enough to accommodate some spring-back. Too tight a fit between the virgin brass/chamber (at the web), and/or, re-size die diameter > than virgin brass, or, a combination there of, is the primary cause of the 'dreaded click'. Someone will word this better.:eek:
Since Y2K, my reamers, at the .200 DATUM, have been ordered @ 0.003" (-0.00"/plus the tolerance) larger than the new brass of choice. I always purchase brass before ordering a reamer, & have no regrets.:DRG
 
The .200" DATUM (ahead of the bolt-face) should be .4715" > . . . if one wanted, it could be .4729", which would not be bad - way better than too 'tight'.
The chamber needs to be, at least, .0025"> larger than the virgin brass, and the re-size die needs to be smaller than the virgin brass: enough to accommodate some spring-back. Too tight a fit between the virgin brass/chamber (at the web), and/or, re-size die diameter > than virgin brass, or, a combination there of, is the primary cause of the 'dreaded click'. Someone will word this better.:eek:
Since Y2K, my reamers, at the .200 DATUM, have been ordered @ 0.003" (-0.00"/plus the tolerance) larger than the new brass of choice. I always purchase brass before ordering a reamer, & have no regrets.:DRG
Thanks.
 
Much appreciated,@RGRobinett, I'll make inquiries at Shilen (and a few other barrel makers) about the neck dia.
If I understand your post correctly, a .330 neck dia would be on the small side by a thou or two. What would be the issues I should expect to encounter if a larger neck size is not available? Would turning the necks be required? In shooting 30BR, should I expect to turn necks as a general rule if I'm planning to be competitive?
 

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