The Myth of Revolver Infallibility

[K22]

I wish I could get my prostate down to potato size!
I love my 1911. But I trust my wife's life on a J frame S&W.

Congradulations, you are qualified for Platium status with a prostate over potato size.

 

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Congradulations, you are qualified for Platium status with a prostate over potato size.

My urologist will be so proud!

 

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So... ."Revolvers"... kinda like "pick and shovel" rather than "backhoe"

Pretty much it. But pick and shovel operate on mechanical simplicity. The backhoe on the other hand, too many levers,prone to hydraulic failure, fuel oil problems.
In the good old days the state didn't issue back hoes to inmates, simple
hand tools worked fine.

 

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I've seen some of the reports from the armorers back when the police forces used revolvers when it was time to get qualified.

Cops were issued their revolver and it went into the holster and stayed there.
Snow, sleet, rain, heat.
A lot of them were so corroded that it was doubtful they would have functioned if they were drawn.

That's operator failure,not the weapons fault. But I understand. I was an IPSC RO and instructor a long time ago. The worst students I had was cops. Not all,some were SWAT and practiced weekly. The ones that only qualified twice a year, you could tell it!

 

[akajun]

When I started in law enforcement in the 90s
My police academy was the first one where you could go through with a semi auto, however there were still lots of guys who either had their own or dept issued revolvers.
Instructor staff kept a small set of tools for the S&w like and ejector rod tightening tool
Small set of screwdrivers, hammer and v block
Some of these revolvers were brand new, some well worn, but after 3000 rds all had to have some sort of maintenance after all that dirty lead 38 special
Surprisingly the few ruger gp100s made it through perfectiy
We thought it was funny that those of us with glocks, ruger, and s&w semi autos had no problems either

So yes revolvers can fail

 

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When I started in law enforcement in the 90s
My police academy was the first one where you could go through with a semi auto, however there were still lots of guys who either had their own or dept issued revolvers.
Instructor staff kept a small set of tools for the S&w like and ejector rod tightening tool
Small set of screwdrivers, hammer and v block
Some of these revolvers were brand new, some well worn, but after 3000 rds all had to have some sort of maintenance after all that dirty lead 38 special
Surprisingly the few ruger gp100s made it through perfectiy
We thought it was funny that those of us with glocks, ruger, and s&w semi autos had no problems either

So yes revolvers can fail

But not near as often as a semi auto. Like I said, I'm a 1911 fan from the 1960's on. Still tote one...but I put a J frame S&W in my wife's hands for her protection. Simplicity.

 

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Here's one...which is faster on the clock, semi auto or revolver ? And why ? No Google answers.

 

[Rem06]

Wife decided it was time she shot her LCR 8rd 22lr 2 days ago.
Cci stangers
Out of 8rds 2 fired!!!
I (we) were not happy but we moved etc and it was not fired or cleaned in almost 2yrs. (Lesson learned)
I don't put it away dirty and i cant swear to it but i typically use ballistol on it.
I sprayed it then flushed with lighter fluid this time and loaded up with velocitors ready to run this for a bit to verify if i can count on this thing! ???
I gave her my lcrx 22mag in the meantime.

I also was under the false impression that revolvers do not fail.

 

[K22]

I thought about starting another thread of this issue but decided to place it goes. I have heard reports that the newly designed S&W revolvers with the firing pin mounted in the frame, are experiencing light strikes and failure to fire.

I do not know if this is true or if this is an isolated incident, but for a self-defense firearm, this could be fatal. Have you guys heard anything about this from creditable sources?

 

[john 800]

I thought about starting another thread of this issue but decided to place it goes. I have heard reports that the newly designed S&W revolvers with the firing pin mounted in the frame, are experiencing light strikes and failure to fire.

I do not know if this is true or if this is an isolated incident, but for a self-defense firearm, this could be fatal. Have you guys heard anything about this from creditable sources?

Newly designed as in very recent production? I have 686 with the firing pin and it has been flawless, but mine is not new, they have been that way for years. Other than purists not liking it, and people have said the triggers dont feel quite as nice I have not heard any legitimate concerns. My dads with the hammer mounted pin does seem to cycle smoother and have a nicer trigger, butbthats an observation based on the two I have in front of me

 

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No sir,anything man made can fail. But odds are the more moving parts,the more to go wrong. I'm not arguing one is better than the other, just one is simpler than the other. I'm pretty sure they all need regular maintenance.

Wife decided it was time she shot her LCR 8rd 22lr 2 days ago.
Cci stangers
Out of 8rds 2 fired!!!
I (we) were not happy but we moved etc and it was not fired or cleaned in almost 2yrs. (Lesson learned)
I don't put it away dirty and i cant swear to it but i typically use ballistol on it.
I sprayed it then flushed with lighter fluid this time and loaded up with velocitors ready to run this for a bit to verify if i can count on this thing! ???
I gave her my lcrx 22mag in the meantime.

I also was under the false impression that revolvers do not fail.

 

[K22]

Newly designed as in very recent production? I have 686 with the firing pin and it has been flawless, but mine is not new, they have been that way for years. Other than purists not liking it, and people have said the triggers dont feel quite as nice I have not heard any legitimate concerns. My dads with the hammer mounted pin does seem to cycle smoother and have a nicer trigger, butbthats an observation based on the two I have in front of me

The only input I got was it was when S&W redesigned their revolvers, specially the L and K frames to mount the firing pin in the frame. The one fellow shooter who made this claim was shooting factory ammo, not reloads which gave the claim some credence. I dismissed it at the time as an isolated incident but later read some reports on the net that claimed that this issue is more widespread. However, as I am sure you are aware, one must be careful of everything read on the net.

All my S&W centerfire revolvers have the firing pin mounted on the hammer and I have never had a failure to fire or light strikes.

 

[DaveTooley]

I wish I could get my prostate down to potato size!
I love my 1911. But I trust my wife's life on a J frame S&W.

Stumpy
Talk to a urologist about the Aquablation procedure. Not a pleasant experience but it fixed my problem.
I was retaining over 700 ml of liquid before and now I'm in the low 100's. I can almost write my name in the dirt now.

 

[K22]

Stumpy
Talk to a urologist about the Aquablation procedure. Not a pleasant experience but it fixed my problem.
I was retaining over 700 ml of liquid before and now I'm in the low 100's. I can almost write my name in the dirt now.

Thanks.

 

[john 800]

I thought about starting another thread of this issue but decided to place it goes. I have heard reports that the newly designed S&W revolvers with the firing pin mounted in the frame, are experiencing light strikes and failure to fire.

I do not know if this is true or if this is an isolated incident, but for a self-defense firearm, this could be fatal. Have you guys heard anything about this from creditable sources?

Newly designed as in very recent production? I have 686 with the firing pin and it has been flawless, but mine is not new, they have been that way for years. Other than purists not liking it, and people have said the triggers dont feel quite as nice I have not heard any legitimate concerns. My dads with the hammer mounted pin does seem to cycle smoother and have a nicer trigger, butbthats an observation based on the two I have in front of me

The only input I got was it was when S&W redesigned their revolvers, specially the L and K frames to mount the firing pin in the frame. The one fellow shooter who made this claim was shooting factory ammo, not reloads which gave the claim some credence. I dismissed it at the time as an isolated incident but later read some reports on the net that claimed that this issue is more widespread. However, as I am sure you are aware, one must be careful of everything read on the net.

All my S&W centerfire revolvers have the firing pin mounted on the hammer and I have never had a failure to fire or light strikes.

you never know about what is said online. Imho there is enough dislike of the design because it is less Traditional that any malfunction would probably get repeated enough that you would hear about it alot even if it is a small percentage of actual guns affected, all the other ones that work fine? Nobody mentions those. I will have to ask my cousin what he has seen, he gets alot repair jobs subletted to him from shops that don’t have a gunsmith.

 

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Stumpy
Talk to a urologist about the Aquablation procedure. Not a pleasant experience but it fixed my problem.
I was retaining over 700 ml of liquid before and now I'm in the low 100's. I can almost write my name in the dirt now.

Thanks Dave! I bet the VA hasn't heard of that procedure yet. Two 800 mg Motrin and change your socks, still standard issue!

 

[DaveTooley]

Thanks Dave! I bet the VA hasn't heard of that procedure yet. Two 800 mg Motrin and change your socks, still standard issue!

I hadn't heard about it either. CT scan looking at something else showed an enlarged prostate, well no S-it. That lead to an appointment with urologist. No ill side effects either. A robotic water jet removes the tissue.

 

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I hadn't heard about it either. CT scan looking at something else showed an enlarged prostate, well no S-it. That lead to an appointment with urologist. No ill side effects either. A robotic water jet removes the tissue.

Does this water jet go in the front or rear? Asking for a friend.
We've hijacked this thread into something totally off subject...what's more efficient, drinking water, or blowing it up your snub nosed pistol?

 

[DaveTooley]

Does this water jet go in the front or rear? Asking for a friend.
We've hijacked this thread into something totally off subject...what's more efficient, drinking water, or blowing it up your snub nosed pistol?

Sorry to hijack this thread but...
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[Rem06]

The only input I got was it was when S&W redesigned their revolvers, specially the L and K frames to mount the firing pin in the frame. The one fellow shooter who made this claim was shooting factory ammo, not reloads which gave the claim some credence. I dismissed it at the time as an isolated incident but later read some reports on the net that claimed that this issue is more widespread. However, as I am sure you are aware, one must be careful of everything read on the net.

All my S&W centerfire revolvers have the firing pin mounted on the hammer and I have never had a failure to fire or light strikes.

The lcr is internal and no hammer to pull back but my lcrx does have the hammer exposed.
I have several 686,anaconda,etc and ever had a misfire with them.
Maybe the internal pin is more of a problem?